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OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by ameriken » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:51 am

Maybe this is not news anymore and everyone is aware of this, but just in case it is not, I thought I'd pass this along since it really worked for me. About 10 or 15 years ago, when I had a 300 cholesterol count, my Doctor put me on 1000 mg's of slow release niacin. He told me it raises the HDL and combats the LDL.

About a year or two later, my count dropped to 136 and my coronary risk ratio which was over 6, dropped to something like 3.5. When I joined the VA healthcare system last year, my provider there also told me to take niacin. I think there are a few different brands and types of slow-release niacin but the best that I know of is 'Slo Niacin', which is also the one that the VA recommended and can be bought OTC. It's expensive but it works.

I don't know how niacin compares to some of the prescription meds like Lipitor, but I think those are tough on the liver and I'd rather stay away from them if possible. Anyhow, I hope this helps and maybe it's something to talk about with your doctor.

From the Mayo Clinic-
Niacin to boost your HDL, 'good,' cholesterol

Niacin is an important B vitamin that may raise your HDL, "good," cholesterol. Find out if you should talk to your doctor about taking niacin alone or with cholesterol medications. By Mayo Clinic staff

Niacin, a B vitamin, has long been used to increase high-density lipoprotein (HDL), or the "good," cholesterol. HDL cholesterol helps sweep up low-density lipoprotein (LDL), or the "bad," cholesterol, in your bloodstream. Although niacin is readily available and effective, it hasn't gotten much attention compared to other cholesterol drugs.

Most discussion about cholesterol focuses on lowering your low-density lipoprotein (LDL), or "bad," cholesterol. That's still an important goal. But boosting your HDL level can be just as important as lowering your LDL cholesterol. Taking niacin — either by itself or along with other cholesterol-lowering medication — may help control your total cholesterol level.

Read the rest of the article here: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/niacin/CL00036
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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by Tip10 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:18 pm

One thing to be aware of with taking naicin -- it can cause a false shift in blood glucose testing measurements.
My doc put me on niacin (Niaspan ER in particular) several months ago. I take it in the evening right before bedtime. It caused an immediate 40-50 point jump in my morning blood glucose tests. Afternoon and evening tests appear unaffected. Doc has also noted the jump on fasting blood sugar tests as well.
There has NOT been any corresponding jump in A1C. In fact my A1C continues to trend slightly downward.
We went back into my logs and it clearly showed up immediately after I started taking it, if I skip a dose then the next morning's BG readings are back where they used to be.

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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by WearyOne » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:22 pm

Thanks for the info. I know about this, but may have to start taking it so it's nice to know exactly what you've been taking that works, and how well it worked for you! (There are a lot of niacin products out there and some types don't really help with cholesterol.)

I've lost a lot of weight in the last year (with still some to go), and as a result my BP is down so I've reduced my meds for that, and no ankle or feet swelling this summer that I've had for years. I haven't been on cholesterol meds even though I probably should have been, but the statin I tried a few years ago gave me terrible muscle problems, and I don't want to take them anyway! But I never did anything else.

Have an appointment for a physical and blood work next week and we'll see if the lost weight and healthier eating has helped that, too. I feel that my biggest issue will be low HDL, and I see niacin is good for that!

It's wonderful the reduction you saw with the niacin!


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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by Lizistired » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:25 pm

Interesting thread. I have to wonder if it affects the cholesterol... or just the way we test for it?

Wearyone, what healthier eating habits are you doing?

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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by nanwilson » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:27 pm

Niacin was the first cholesterol drug I tried. The doc put me on it and he scared me sh%$#&*less, so not only was I taking niacin, i upped my exercise routine and changed my diet. Next doc visit my cholesterol was down..........fast forward to a year later. We moved and I went to a new doc...oopppss my cholesterol was way up again, so was put on statins. My cholesterol went down again BUT I ended up with the muscle pains so bad some days I could not walk. I no longer take anything for cholesterol, just watch my diet and I seem to be a bit high but not bad. So, was the niacin working or was it me changing my diet and doing more exercise???????? Went to the doc for my checkup yesterday and he said that the medical profession has started to scale back on cholesterol lowering drugs as diet and exercise were working better...who to heck knows what to do, one day its try this, next day its try that, I'm beginning to think the medical profession have no clue as to what to prescribe anymore. If niacin works for you..go for it, at least its not another drug, its a vitamin.
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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by ameriken » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:22 pm

nanwilson wrote:who to heck knows what to do, one day its try this, next day its try that, I'm beginning to think the medical profession have no clue as to what to prescribe anymore.
You're right...that's why we refer to what doctors do as a 'practice'.
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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by Breathe Jimbo » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:43 pm

Niacin raised my blood sugar to the pre-diabetic range. This was accompanied by a worrisome A1C blood test result, so this was real, not a false positive. My blood sugar fell to a normal level, and a later A1C blood test result showed no risk of diabetes, after I discontinued the Niacin. IOW, if Niacin raises your blood sugar to the diabetic or pre-diabetic range, you need to take it seriously and not assume it is a false positive.

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Post by ameriken » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:47 pm

That's interesting about the blood sugar, I think my levels have been normal and I am about to get it tested again, I'll keep an eye on the results.
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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by JeffH » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:04 pm

Maybe it was "invented" to sell medicine.

http://www.cambridgemedscience.org/repo ... thCamb.pdf

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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by WearyOne » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:07 pm

Lizistired wrote:Interesting thread. I have to wonder if it affects the cholesterol... or just the way we test for it?

Wearyone, what healthier eating habits are you doing?
Well, besides counting Weight Watcher points that I started a year ago, I also count a ton of other things like fats (sat/mono/poly), calcium, carbs, fiber, protein, sodium, cholesterol, Omega 3, etc., for everything I eat. There's a percentage or gram amount I aim for each day. I cut-and-paste food items from a very long food list I created in Excel to the daily food log in Excel (same worksheet houses both). Setting up the food list was a huge chore, but the daily tracking is really not that difficult. I rarely hit everything I'm aiming for, and that's okay, because over time it evens out. And when I first started doing it, it made me realize that I may have been losing weight on WW, but I was still eating badly. Since I've started tracking all this stuff I eat so much better than I did before. My husband thinks I'm nuts, but hey, I'm losing weight and other health issues are improving, and he's way overweight so...LOL! I'm a numbers and list-making person, so it works for me!

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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by 2flamingos » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:01 am

I can't believe the coincidence in timing and finding this thread. My doc just put me on Niaspan 500 ER. Take my first one tonight.

My Cholesterol numbers were pretty good (Total was great, LDL was a little high - not enough to worry about, except LD3 was high (not sure what that is or means), HDL had gone up almost 20 points since I have started walking twice a day and is now in the acceptable range (was previously <30).

Doc said that Niaspan would not only continue to help raise HDL, but should lower that bad LD3.

The only real side effect he warned me about was the flushing - and that is something that concerns me because I hate to be hot!

I am glad to read about the BG side effect so I can keep an eye on it. As a recently diagnosed diabetic, I am just now really getting a handle on where my bg should be.

Thanks for all the info!

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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by Tip10 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:46 am

2flamingos wrote:
The only real side effect he warned me about was the flushing - and that is something that concerns me because I hate to be hot!

I am glad to read about the BG side effect so I can keep an eye on it. As a recently diagnosed diabetic, I am just now really getting a handle on where my bg should be.
I take it right before I go to sleep along with an aspirin and have never noticed the flushing -- I know its there because of one trip I was on had me staying up overnight -- took meds at normal time and definitely noticed the flushing then!

Be interested in hearing what it does to your BG numbers -- see if you see that same kind of effect.

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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by ameriken » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:53 am

As for the flushing, the 'Slo Niacin' brand that I take usually doesn't flush because it is a slow release (though, once in a while I do get some flushing from it for about 20 minutes). Anyhow, I think there are 2 types of niacin...there is the 'slow release' and there is 'non-flush' or 'no flush' niacin. I spoke with a pharmacist about the two, and he told me that the 'non-flush' was not as good as the 'slow release'. Not sure what the difference is.

I stick with the Slo Niacin because I know it works and it's OTC. Expensive but worth it.
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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by nanwilson » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:03 am

2flamingos wrote:I can't believe the coincidence in timing and finding this thread. My doc just put me on Niaspan 500 ER. Take my first one tonight.

My Cholesterol numbers were pretty good (Total was great, LDL was a little high - not enough to worry about, except LD3 was high (not sure what that is or means), HDL had gone up almost 20 points since I have started walking twice a day and is now in the acceptable range (was previously <30).

Doc said that Niaspan would not only continue to help raise HDL, but should lower that bad LD3.

The only real side effect he warned me about was the flushing - and that is something that concerns me because I hate to be hot!

I am glad to read about the BG side effect so I can keep an eye on it. As a recently diagnosed diabetic, I am just now really getting a handle on where my bg should be.

Thanks for all the info!
The flushing doesn't last long, usually it went in about a half hour. There is a non-flush version out there too. I was on the flushing version, and boy did I get red in the face
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Re: OT: Niacin vs Cholesterol

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:20 pm

JeffH wrote:Maybe it was "invented" to sell medicine.
http://www.cambridgemedscience.org/repo ... thCamb.pdf
Very interesting article, JeffH. I've bookmarked it to read in detail later.
I don't think anyone could disagree that obesity and diabetes have skyrocketed since the adoption of the "lowfat" diet in this country. I think no/low fat processed foods are killers, especially those sold under the guise of "healthy".

@Thanks for sharing, Ameriken. There also seems to be a connection between the B vitamins and sleep, as well as some evidence that statins (Zocor) cause sleep disturbance.

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