Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

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Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

Post by causticcompliance » Sun May 29, 2011 6:52 am

I posted this question in another post but it was buried in a bunch of my other hoohah jibberish that I was yammering on about sorry ...
I am terribly curious if others see this happening?
I am watching my AHI's etc on just the S9 display (software is not all setup yet) and they have been staying fairly low (1.x) each night (total avg still 1.x) until night before last. I had an AHI of 4 in 6.9 hours of sleep. Maybe I am completely ignorant of a couple things on AHI's and the like <shrug> but I am wondering, does anyone else see a higher AHI and remember lots of dreams the nights they get a higher AHI?
It was the first night that I have had a complete 7 hours of pure sleep (that I don't remember waking up during anyway) with lots of good dreams and this has occurred.
Hope someone can enlighten me...

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Re: Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

Post by cflame1 » Sun May 29, 2011 7:08 am

wondering if it's something to do with REM sleep... as that's when you'd be more likely to dream.

did you have a higher AHI in REM on your titration study?

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Re: Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

Post by causticcompliance » Sun May 29, 2011 7:11 am

Actually I did... my non-REM sleep interruptions were 11-12 per hr and each stage of REM was 30 per hr... so I guess that makes sense... ok dumb question... carry on
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Re: Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

Post by BlackSpinner » Sun May 29, 2011 8:42 am

causticcompliance wrote:I
I am watching my AHI's etc on just the S9 display (software is not all setup yet) and they have been staying fairly low (1.x) each night (total avg still 1.x) until night before last. I had an AHI of 4 in 6.9 hours of sleep. Maybe I am completely ignorant of a couple things on AHI's and the like <shrug> but I am wondering, does anyone else see a higher AHI and remember lots of dreams the nights they get a higher AHI?
Dreaming REM tends to give people that. Since you remember it also means you are waking up. You many want to increase your pressure for this but wait until you have the software in case these are centrals.

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Re: Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

Post by causticcompliance » Sun May 29, 2011 11:01 am

that stinks...I felt the best I had felt in a while... thanks blackspinner I will keep an eye on things...
I do have central avg of 1 but I was under the impression thats not too far away from a regular night of sleep for just about anyone? maybe?
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Re: Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

Post by causticcompliance » Sun May 29, 2011 11:18 am

Within a few minutes of my reply I was so bummed out that I thought I would give our buddy Google a try and although these are some older studies and pretty much all I found, the majority show this:
"...An increase in nightmare recall would be expected as well in OSA patients experiencing increased REMS and restoration of normal sleep after therapy with CPAP..."
Now mine were dreams (good ones of funny goofy stuff) not nightmares but I would gather this would reflect the same...

Here is the link to the complete study(ies) and more info...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2823279/
Is this info just plain worthless and outdated?
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Re: Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

Post by napstress » Sun May 29, 2011 7:39 pm

I have seen a trend that my AHI is higher on nights when I get more hours of sleep. My AHI is actually perfectly lovely when I only sleep two hours a night! But I don't take those numbers seriously b/c there is too little data to be accurate.

Maybe your AHI was higher because it has been uncommon for you to get a solid 7 hours of sleep. Maybe you dreamed because you had more opportunities to get into REM during the long night of sleep?
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Re: Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

Post by Lizistired » Sun May 29, 2011 8:15 pm

causticcompliance wrote:that stinks...I felt the best I had felt in a while... thanks blackspinner I will keep an eye on things...
I do have central avg of 1 but I was under the impression thats not too far away from a regular night of sleep for just about anyone? maybe?
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Re: Higher AHI on heavy dream night...anything odd?

Post by rested gal » Sun May 29, 2011 9:15 pm

It's very possible that your pressure is not high enough to effectively try to prevent apneas from happening when you are in REM.

The fact that you woke up several times aware of "dreaming" may mean that apneas were waking you up. I'd raise the pressure another cm or two, if it were me. If I were using an autopap, it would be the minimum pressure setting I'd raise.

A person can be having normal REM cycles all night and never be aware of dreaming. The person can sleep blissfully undisturbed right through their REM. In the morning, if asked, "Did you dream last night?" the person might say, "No, I didn't dream at all!" But really what happened was the person DID dream many times during the night, but slept through them...no apneas disturbed the person into waking up long enough to be aware of dreaming.

If I saw a higher AHI on nights that I remembered dreams, I'd suspect that the pressure was not high enough to ward off apneas during REM. REM is when more apneas hit most people.

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