Robert Dawkins- Tolerate CPAP book?

[Kotengu]

Has anyone read the book? Any success? I got a private message about the book when I signed up for these message boards, and I'm planning on getting it but I figured I would ask anyway.

[Amigo]

I cannot find any reference to this book at Amazon. Can you be more specific?

[-SWS]

I got a private message about the book when I signed up for these message boards, and I'm planning on getting it but I figured I would ask anyway.

A private message as in marketing from the ebook seller, or a private message as in a different forum member, having no vested interest in book sales, recommended the book?

BTW, I don't think there's a policy AGAINST people using Private Messages to market on cpaptalk, but I could be wrong. If it's a GOOD book then it deserve a readership and discussion on this message board IMO. But marketing to new members via PM is potentially a questionable marketing practice...

Bear in mind that discussing and even marketing GOOD sleep products and services right out in the open on the message board is A-okay according to cpaptalk policy and past practices. But privately marketing to brand new members---without the benefit of open and public review---- might not be in the best interest of our constant stream of new members who are often vulnerable and sleep deprived...

[helpful1]

Bear in mind that discussing and even marketing GOOD sleep products and services right out in the open on the message board is A-okay according to cpaptalk policy and past practices. But privately marketing to brand new members might not be in the best interest of our constant stream of new members...

Tell that to Padacheek.

[-SWS]

Well, GENERALLY SPEAKING, PM marketing to our new cpaptalk members---versus open and scrutinized public-message board discussions and marketing----doesn't seem to be in the best interest of our new and potentially vulnerable members. I say let's get the sales pitches right out in the open where everyone can see and comment.

At least I personally know Karen and her products are not at all exploitative. But GENERALLY we don't know what future PM marketeers will have to say to our potentially vulnerable new patients via Private Message. So the practice of PM marketing to our new members does not sit well with me on principle...

[Janknitz]

Robert Dawkins is our relatively new member RDawkinsPhDMPH and if you go to his website he is hawking his ebook for $14.95. You won't find the book on Amazon because it's an e-book only.

At first I was going to say something because I found his approach rather annoying as his early posts were only about referring people to his website which is all about his ebook. Interestingly, he says on his website:

There is a lot of free information available about sleep apnea and CPAP
usage. For the most part this information is not inaccurate, but it is often
incomplete or biased: like an infomercial.

, and yet, his posts here were exactly that--nothing but informercials for his website. And not very complimentary to us and the supposedly incomplete and biased information people come here to get for free.

However, he has stopped directing people to his commerce site in every post and is contributing useful information now. I haven't spent the money to read his ebook, but perhaps it is helpful, to those who want to spend the money. Since every post is no longer an infomercial, I don't have any qualm with him posting in public here, just as Karen does from Padacheek. I do think it's a bit predatory to go after newbies and hawk the book in PM's, but I don't see that there's any rule against it, either.

[Kotengu]

This is the message that was sent to me after posting my first topic, which was about not being able to sleep with my Cpap mask.

Sent at: Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:16 am
From: RDawkinsPhDMPH
To: Kotengu
Your difficulty falling asleep and pulling your mask off are probably independent problems. Julie's comments are appropriate but there is more too your problem. I cover some of this and more in "How to Tolerate CPAP Therapy for your Sleep Apnea" available at http://www.sleepingwithcpap.com

[nanwilson]

Bear in mind that discussing and even marketing GOOD sleep products and services right out in the open on the message board is A-okay according to cpaptalk policy and past practices. But privately marketing to brand new members might not be in the best interest of our constant stream of new members...

Tell that to Padacheek.

helpful1
WE (forum members) are the ones that promote Padacheek. Karen has done wonders for us with her strap and hose covers, etc, she only started to make them because we were all complaining about these problems, Karen is a cpap user herself. We were in need and she fulfilled the need, selflessly!
I just received my mask liner for my quattro yesterday, she did a great job, it worked like a charm. So helpful1, I suggest you look back at previous posts and you will see its the members, not Karen, that are suggesting the use of Padacheek products. Anything that makes cpap easier to put up with is good in my book.......keep it up Padacheek.
Cheers
Nan

[TOken]

This is the message that was sent to me after posting my first topic, which was about not being able to sleep with my Cpap mask.

Sent at: Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:16 am
From: RDawkinsPhDMPH
To: Kotengu
Your difficulty falling asleep and pulling your mask off are probably independent problems. Julie's comments are appropriate but there is more too your problem. I cover some of this and more in "How to Tolerate CPAP Therapy for your Sleep Apnea" available at http://www.sleepingwithcpap.com

Kinda looks like a sales pitch to me. I just find this kind of tactic wrong.

[-SWS]

This is the message that was sent to me after posting my first topic, which was about not being able to sleep with my Cpap mask.

Sent at: Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:16 am
From: RDawkinsPhDMPH
To: Kotengu
Your difficulty falling asleep and pulling your mask off are probably independent problems. Julie's comments are appropriate but there is more too your problem. I cover some of this and more in "How to Tolerate CPAP Therapy for your Sleep Apnea" available at http://www.sleepingwithcpap.com

Thanks for sharing that. My opinion is if that's happening to our new members in large numbers, then it's clearly Private Message marketing. But if it's happening only once in a while, in the course of ordinary PM discussion, then it's just normal and supportive discussion IMHO.

So here's the ebook: http://www.sleepingwithcpap.com/

If people like the book and find it helpful, then it's a good thing to openly discuss around here IMO. if people don't find the book helpful, then that too should be openly discussed around here IMHO.

[SleepingUgly]

If people like the book and find it helpful, then it's a good thing to openly discuss around here IMO. if people don't find the book helpful, then that too should be openly discussed around here IMHO.

I agree.

[chunkyfrog]

He wrote a book and he can't even SPELL?
Forgive me for being old-fashioned; but hey!

[monica4patience]

I've received 2 PM's from this guy pitching his book. I'd much rather hear from forum members that they've found his information helpful, or not. I don't appreciate getting advertising pitches in a PM.

[TOken]

I know that I'm new here and my opinion my be worth nothing, but I have done a LOT of reading on this site, and have to thank a lot of members here who have helped me, and helped others where I also found the information shared to be useful.

I just think that sending a PM essentially saying "I can help you, but you'll have to buy something from me to get that help" just doesn't sit right.

So many members help each other because that's what they really want to do... Help.

Not make a profit.

If this person was a "supporting vendor" or something, who pays to maintain this site, or for site improvements, that would be something different, but that does not appear to be the case here.

[carbonman]

I wonder what more you are going to get from this book,
that you aren't going to get here.