Is Rem sleep important?

[Stormynights]

When I had my sleep study done they said I couldn't get to rem sleep. I lost my insurance right after the test so I have been on my own with treatment. I have gradually raised my pressure from 8 to 14 up to 17 to 20. I still wake up before getting any deep sleep. My husband finally got his sleep study done and will be getting his machine pretty soon. I can't let him know I am having a problem or he will be discouraged before he gets started. He really doesn't want to use Cpap at all. He is just doing this because I nagged him into it. I do hope someone can help me before he finds out I am having trouble with this.

[LoQ]

I still wake up before getting any deep sleep.

How do you know that?

[Stormynights]

I still wake up before getting any deep sleep.

How do you know that?

I do more dozing than sleeping and I get up less often during the night but still more than I should.

[LoQ]

I do more dozing than sleeping and I get up less often during the night but still more than I should.

I don't think that is proof that you are not getting REM sleep.

However, you may need to make some adjustments. The first thing to ask is why are you getting up at night?

[sister]

i don't have software, just the data from my machine, is there any way i can know if i'm getting REM sleep? I didn't get there according to my sleep study. thanks.

[LoQ]

He really doesn't want to use Cpap at all. He is just doing this because I nagged him into it.

I wonder if that was a good idea. To succeed at PAP therapy, you have to really WANT to succeed. By nagging him into this, you may have short-circuited the narrative that would have compelled him into it on his own. Now what might happen is that he will try it, find out it's hard to make it work, abandon it, and have YOU to blame for it. In other words, "I tried it her way, it didn't work, I'm quitting."

If, on the other hand, he had arrived at his own decision to do it, perhaps because the consequences of not doing it had become intolerable, then he might have a bigger desire to succeed, not wanting to fail at his own endeavor.

What will you tell him when he encounters problems with his therapy and wants to quit?

[elena88]

Hi, sorry you lost your insurance after the study, bummer.. but you can figure this out yourself.. can you find away to download your information?
Im in the same boat with my husband, only he has seen me struggle every step of the way, and now he doesnt want any part of this cpap stuff.
Now, I have a bipap to try, and I offered for him to use my s nine for two weeks, and he said "forget it" he has two consults from two doctors for
a sleep study, he wont go.

Just because you are having a problem getting some deep sleep doesnt mean your husband will. Are you a light sleeper to begin with?
That has a lot to do with it.. It takes a long time to get used to the machines, I know it has for me.. Try your pressures for a few days at a time
to get used to them, so your brain might accept them a little more easily while youre sleeping.. YOu could be sensitive to the high pressure too..
Is it hard for youto exhale against the pressure? how do you feel exactly when you wake up and dont feel you slept deeply?

As for the studies...

I dont think a lot of folks get to rem in their sleep study..

there is a questionaire you fill out which asks you how often you remember dreaming..

few times week? once weekly? twice monthly? etc.

I checked twice yearly..

To remember a dream you must wake up IN the rem cycle, and that doesnt happen that often.. but if you do, you KNEW you had
a dream..

OSA is supposed to be worse in REM, so if you have osa, and didnt go into rem, its possible your ahi might be higher then your first
test reveals.. If you arent being disturbed at night so that you can get through a complete cycle of sleeping, you should go into rem,
but not remember if it you didnt wake IN that cycle or when it was about to end..
I know its frustrating not to feel rested, dont give up, keep tweeking

[Stormynights]

He really doesn't want to use Cpap at all. He is just doing this because I nagged him into it.

I wonder if that was a good idea. To succeed at PAP therapy, you have to really WANT to succeed. By nagging him into this, you may have short-circuited the narrative that would have compelled him into it on his own. Now what might happen is that he will try it, find out it's hard to make it work, abandon it, and have YOU to blame for it. In other words, "I tried it her way, it didn't work, I'm quitting."

If, on the other hand, he had arrived at his own decision to do it, perhaps because the consequences of not doing it had become intolerable, then he might have a bigger desire to succeed, not wanting to fail at his own endeavor.

What will you tell him when he encounters problems with his therapy and wants to quit?

His symptoms were severe. The therapist at the sleep study told him it was really bad. It is ok to blame me if he has problems. I don't mind. I just want to live the rest of my life with him. I do think this is the only thing I ever nagged him about.

[LoQ]

His symptoms were severe. The therapist at the sleep study told him it was really bad. It is ok to blame me if he has problems. I don't mind. I just want to live the rest of my life with him. I do think this is the only thing I ever nagged him about.

That is an extremely frustrating situation. I hope that you have a strong relationship and that your husband will do it for your sake, since he seems unwilling to do it for his own. Sometimes that does work. Let's hope that is the case here, that his affection for you provides the incentive he needs.


As to your own therapy, why are you getting up at night? And what made you think you needed to increase your pressure?

[Stormynights]

Hi, sorry you lost your insurance after the study, bummer.. but you can figure this out yourself.. can you find away to download your information?
Im in the same boat with my husband, only he has seen me struggle every step of the way, and now he doesnt want any part of this cpap stuff.
Now, I have a bipap to try, and I offered for him to use my s nine for two weeks, and he said "forget it" he has two consults from two doctors for
a sleep study, he wont go.

Just because you are having a problem getting some deep sleep doesnt mean your husband will. Are you a light sleeper to begin with?
That has a lot to do with it.. It takes a long time to get used to the machines, I know it has for me.. Try your pressures for a few days at a time
to get used to them, so your brain might accept them a little more easily while youre sleeping.. YOu could be sensitive to the high pressure too..
Is it hard for youto exhale against the pressure? how do you feel exactly when you wake up and dont feel you slept deeply?

As for the studies...

I dont think a lot of folks get to rem in their sleep study..

there is a questionaire you fill out which asks you how often you remember dreaming..

few times week? once weekly? twice monthly? etc.

I checked twice yearly..

To remember a dream you must wake up IN the rem cycle, and that doesnt happen that often.. but if you do, you KNEW you had
a dream..

OSA is supposed to be worse in REM, so if you have osa, and didnt go into rem, its possible your ahi might be higher then your first
test reveals.. If you arent being disturbed at night so that you can get through a complete cycle of sleeping, you should go into rem,
but not remember if it you didnt wake IN that cycle or when it was about to end..
I know its frustrating not to feel rested, dont give up, keep tweeking

I used to sleep like a log and never wake up during the night. I have had a couple of nights where I cold tell I really slept good but not all night. I check my data but don't know how to post it. I am not sure my data is showing up correctly because I wake up so often.

[elena88]

well, you get some good sleep part of the night somtimes? thats a little positive..

but you slept like a log before cpap? have you ever slept like a log since cpap?

Lets get you situated so you can post your graphs.. do you have a print screen function you can use and a place to
save your pictures to download here?

I used gadwin for print screen,

and photo bucket to save the printed screens..

if you have these, I can give you click instructions the rest of the way..

Let me know if you need the websites, I i will post them for you..
and try to walk you thru it, I just learned it myself, and Im a total computer idiot..
but guess who helped me???

[Stormynights]

I slept like a log years ago but I remember what it felt like. I think part of the reason I am having problems is dear hubby is like a wild man when he is asleep. He kicks and thrashes stops breathing and coughs and chokes when he does start breathing again. I started telling him years ago he had sleep apnea. He then told me that I did. I went and had a sleep study but he didn't want to be tested. He finally went last week. Maybe I just need to chill for a while till he gets settled and see how it goes. I do feel better with the higher pressure though.

[LoQ]

I hope you find a solution. Good luck to you.

[BlackSpinner]

Just because you have problems doesn't mean he will. I slept through the night the first night and woke up seeing the world in technicolor for the first time in ages. He might surprise you.

[Stormynights]

Just because you have problems doesn't mean he will. I slept through the night the first night and woke up seeing the world in technicolor for the first time in ages. He might surprise you.

I sure hope that is the case. He has a doctor at least that may be able to help him.