Rainout

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:31 pm

Has anyone experienced water condensing in the bellows portion of their Activa and then driping on their face during the night. This happens to me when I change sleep positions.

I have adjusted the heat on my humidifier so that I don't get rainout in the hose (I also have a snuggle sleeve). But I still get this condensation in the mask. It usually is quite a bit of moisture but only once in a while does it fall on my face.

Would a heated hose help? Does anybody in the USA sell the heated hoses?

rock and roll · Post by **rock and roll** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:51 pm

Could it be drool? Mybe because I am in Texas but I never even get rainout and do not cover my hose at all. Keep humidifier on setting 5.

UKnowWhatInSeattle · Post by **UKnowWhatInSeattle** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:30 pm

I'd sorta hope it wouldn't be drool in a nasal mask...

I get condensation in the bellows, but it usually isn't enough to spill out. I supsect since the Activa cushion has such a huge surface area that condensation is bound to happen if your room is cold-ish.

I have an unheated hose insulator and it helps, but with the Activa, you've also got a foot-long extension that probably doesn't get insulated. If you cover the extension, you'll have air blowing on the cover, which makes noise.

The other thing I've seen with the Activa (other masks, too) is that they can get condension in the exhalation port and that can make some strange whistling sounds. The other night, I swear it sounded like there was an AM radio with a baseball game on in the next room. Since it is November, I knew that couldn't be it, so I rolled over and went back to sleep.

Go Mariners.

rock and roll · Post by **rock and roll** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:20 pm

I see what you mean by the drool and nasal mask but since most wear the Activa loose it can move up or down and can get wet with saliva. Just a thought.

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:34 pm

This is the second time I've posted a question in which the topic has changed to nasal secretions due to no fault of mine.

Thanks UKnow for clearing things up. Glad to hear this has happened to someone else. You've confirmed my suspision of the cause.

For those of you in Texas it gets COLD up here in the northern USA and I get rainout (even with a hose insulater) at anything over 2.

I guess thats the trade off up here we get rainout but at least we don't drool out of our nose HA HA HA!

I guess I'll just have to live with my "love sick octopus" (as I've heard the Activa described) giving me wet kisses.

rock and roll · Post by **rock and roll** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:27 pm

Hey Muck,

It does get cold in Texas occationally as well, but we have a device called a heater that actually warms the air in our houses.

When did nose secretions come into this, down here drool comes from the mouth?

The Activa does touch the mouth when lying down on a pillow and two things can happen to get DROOL in the mask. One the rubber diaphram can come unattached from the blue ring allowing entry. The other thing that can happen is the mask slides down to where the mouth has access. The third I guess is when some use the mask over their mouths as I have read here.

rested gal · Post by **rested gal** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:45 pm

Wader, I'm a big fan of the Aussie heated hose for controlling "rain out". I have one. It works great with any heated humidifier.

www.sleepzone.com.au

I think you have a 420E autopap, so you'd need to get the heated cpap tube that also has the small sensor tube inside it that the 420E needs. Price is the same, I think. And btw, the price shown on the webpage is in Australian currency - it's cheaper in U.S. dollars, I believe.

The DC to AC converter I got for plugging in my heated hose was Radio Shack's 12 volt 1 Amp, part# 273-1776 with the "M" adapter plug. I've been reading recently on another message board that an even smaller converter from Radio Shack would work too - part# 273-1631. Best bet would be to take the heated hose to Radio Shack to be sure you get a converter and plug that works with it.

Insulated hose covers alone can't come anywhere near controlling rainout as well as the heated hose does. An amazing product, and very easy to have shipped from Australia - the only place I know of that it can be purchased so far, until some U.S. company gets one FDA approved.

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:43 am

Thanks RG,

Boy part numbers and everything I have comunicated via e-mail with the folks down under about their hose. Looks like a useful product. I guess I'm just dragging my feet on getting one.

Hey R&R,

I know in the southern hemishere water flows counterclockwise down the drain. In the southern USA does water (drool) flow up instead of down? Seems to me, personaly I would have to sleep standing on my head for 3 months straight to get that much drool to flow into my mask.

Nose secretions and drool fall into the same category "things I not refering to in my posts" but somehow they keep finding their way in.

See you all on the Forum(s)

rock and roll · Post by **rock and roll** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:47 am

Whatever you say Muck.

Drool and nose secretions are not the same to me but maybe to you they are. When you blow your nose the Kleenex is full of drool for you?

For some reason you want to argue, I was merely making an observation. Sorry I responded to your post. Rest asuured I won't anymore!

rested gal · Post by **rested gal** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:12 am

Wader, the heated hose will help a lot, but I guess I should add that it might not keep your Activa totally dry - just 99% dry.

Depending on how cold the bedroom is, you might still get a tiny bit of moisture ("tiny, compared to what you're getting now) in the mask, just from condensation of your warm breath hitting the cold plastic. Since the heated hose only goes so far - stops at the short hose connection to the Activa, there's still going to be some unheated hose/mask. But at least you'll no longer have 6 feet of unheated hose adding gallons of condensation.

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:53 pm

Sorry, R&R

I didn't mean to be argumentative. If you saw how much liquid I'm getting in my Activa you would'nt think is drool. Just trying to poke fun a little. Sorry if I poked a little to hard. This time of year I'd much rather be in Texasa than here.

rock and roll · Post by **rock and roll** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:14 pm

It's OK Muck.

For some reason, on the Cpap boards, I have tried to participate and get a lot of snide answers. It has made me touchy. As well, I not only am dealing with sleep apnea but Crohn's desease and Rhuematoid Arthritis as well. And to top it off, my job of 35 years was outsourced over to China this year and I lost my insurance. It tends to make me touchy. I overreacted.

But, I have never had any kind of rainout at all. I keep the humidifier high, I go through the whole tank of water at night. How cold do you keep the room? It just blows my mind that you get that much water. What happens if you use a nasal pillow interface?

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:10 pm

Hi R&R,

Glad to stay friends. Hearing about all your woes makes me feel lucky to only be dealing with a sore back.

Hope you find work (and insurance) soon.

I live in an "antique" house that has leaky windows. I have a window right at the head of my bed. That's probably what's causing the rainout. It really doesn't cause me that much trouble. Only when I roll over just right, but it does collect alot of water. As far as a nasal pillow interface, I've been using the Swift for the last two nights and it works well. I think the rainout just gets blown in my nose!

Hope the future holds better times for you.

lanerd · Post by **lanerd** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:47 pm

Just to add another possible option here.... has anyone tried to use "foam pipe insulation" on their hose? I'm sure that they come in 6' foot lengths and several different inside diameters that would match the outside diameter of a cpap hose. Whatya think?

Ron

Georgia Hosehead · Post by **Georgia Hosehead** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:32 pm

The foam insulation sounds like a great solution. However, it makes the hose too stiff to go between the humidifier and the mask. The insulated sleeve made from quilted material works for me with only an occasional bit of condensation. Georgia Hosehead

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