New APAP Model (Resmed vs Respronics)

[mckooi]

Hi All,

I just received the latest information from resmed on the S8 Platinum Series of products S8™ flow generator range.

I have tried out the S7 model and the auto-pap was so quiet that I can't even hear it and the software give very good clear concise in Stat and graphs. So, these are my questions as follows as listed below.....Is Resmed is Autoset APAP model better than Respronics Auto A-Flex in terms of the following.....

1) MASK Integration: Resmed Mask intergation (Activa....etc) as I noticed that there is a mask selection for better dead-space and air flow management with the Auto-PAP machine as compared to Respronics APAP?

2) Noise Level: Resmed Noise level (25dBi) much more quiet than the model Remstar Plus sthat I tried? What about Respronics Remstar APAP?

3) Data Capture capability: Resmed S8 comes with USB (that will be a huge storage as USB now has data storage as much as 16G) that potentially is a monster size that able to store data up to our life time as compred to Respronics that uses Smart-card with lower data storage space. [glad that my recommendation came thru]. What do you think?

4) i) Humiditifier Water Usages: Respronics S7 series that I tested uses less water event set at level 3....I believe since it is a auto titration so my pressure was optimized during the sleep stages. It seems that it is more effiecient in that manner as the Resmed Remstar Plus that I use set at 19cm also
finish up the water in one 6-7 hrs session. What do you think?

4) ii) Humiditifier Compartment: The compartment of teh water container is able to notice easily for the Resmed as compared to the Respronics that hide in the black box, so is noticeable when the water is running low. What do you think?

5) Software capability: I have not tested out the software but from the wed site and given below it seemes that the software management is much more comprehensive in Stats and grahphical display as compare to Resmed Encore Pro 1.8i. What do you think?

6) Electrical integration: The Resmed power is fully integrated in the set as compared to the Respronics that has seperate power adapter. So the Resmed is easier to handle as a whole but Respronics seperated power adapter is able to be replaced when is broken down. What do you think?

7) Overall form factor of Resmed is white color and sleek look but the Respronics black color square casing is more dusty proof. Also, Resmed APAP overall system is lighter and easier to handle since the power adapter is fully integarted as compared to respronics. What do you think?

8) Pricing: Not sure of the new Resmed S8 Platinum system price as yet but potantailly in the range of USD800+ as compared to Respronics APAP that is in the range of USD694+-. Any idea?

Please comment and thank you in advace.

Listed below link is the latest resmed S8 series models.

http://www.resmed.com/en-au/products/fl ... u=products

Mckooi

[Guest]

mckooi - what the heck are you talking about?

[Slinky]

Didn't get much sleep last night, Guest? Even I understand what McKooi is talking about and his questions. He's getting replies to his duplicate post so there are others who understand what he is saying and asking as well.

[Snoredog]

People need to own and use the new machine before they can compare it.

Show me besides Bill Bolton and other Resmed employees who actually have the new S8 machine?

My guess there isn't many as of this writing, but I'm sure every Resmed dealer/DME will be chime in with how great it is, it is not until months have passed before you learn the true aspects of the machine to even draw up a comparison.

Resmed has a history of trying to play catch up, they have been doing that ever since Respironics came out with their patented Cflex technology. Think Respironics has come out with 2 or 3 Autopaps since Resmed came out with the S8 Vantage, it is about time they upgraded the S8, it is a dinosaur compared to the other autos on the market and then over priced.

IF there is a new S8 Auto out, you first have to know the features it has and how they work, then you compare machines side by side apples to apples.

The one that has been out the longest now with no upgrades is the 420e, that little sucker had advanced features from day one, they haven't needed much of any upgrade, that little sucker works pretty good, while it doesn't have any exhale relief like Cflex, Aflex or EPR it does offer some exhale relief as you breathe, probably not much at higher pressures but at 10 or below it does.

[Buddhah]

Hello. I own the latest APAP S8II and also have used the previous model. I have never used a Respronics machine.
I believe you advice on the USB ... for the new model is incorrect. It has an optional USB connection for downloading data however the APAP can only store up to 5 days of detailed data only.
It is a hard decision to know which machine to buy. I live in Australia and support the aussie product. I have also been lucky to have received excellent support from my supplier and tried all Resmed software and data download products.
For me Resmed is the product of choice.
Regards
Buddhah

[Slinky]

All righty, I'll jump in here and expose my ignorance as well but share what I've been able to learn about the new Resmed S8 IIs.

1. They are NOT available in the USA.
2. The impression I was given in searching on it is that they are only available in Australia so far (I think I remember it might also be available in the nearby areas - but it is SPECIFICALLY NOT available in North America).

The fully data capable S8s currently available in the USA, the Elite and the AutoSet Vantage (no experience w/the bi-levels, STs, etc.) store their data in the xPAP itself, not on the data card. Whilst it is true the machine only holds the individual night's data for 5 nights, after which it is rolled over into the week, month, six months or yearly data averages, IF one downloads data at least every 5 days into the software, one has access to individual night data as far back as one first started downloading the data plus 5 days.

Fudge. I'm going to have to go search for that info I found on the S8 IIs. BRB.

[Slinky]

Here is some of what I had found:

Q. What are some of the differences and improvements with the S8 IIs over the S8s??

A. Essentially, the S8 II has two impellers on the motor, rather that a single impeller as was on the earlier model. This improves the flow volume of the motor, resulting in lower motor speeds required to reach the same pressures, resulting in less noise and quicker pressure changes.

The benefit to the patient is both more comfort and less noise, two major problems for some patients.

Q. What are the differences between the S8 AutoSet and the S8 AutoScore machines?

A. The Autoset machine uses varying pressure to treat any restriction of air ways. The pressure fluctuates, increasing as required to treat hypopneas and apneas, and then lowering as the restrictions abate.

The Autoscore remains at a fixed pressure, based on a level determined during your sleep study. It however can be set to have a slightly lower exhalation pressure, which some patients find more comfortable.

CPAP Australia
cpap@cpapaustralia.com.au
http://www.cpapaustralia.com.au

[ozij]

Here is some of what I had found:

Q. What are some of the differences and improvements with the S8 IIs over the S8s??

A. Essentially, the S8 II has two impellers on the motor, rather that a single impeller as was on the earlier model. This improves the flow volume of the motor, resulting in lower motor speeds required to reach the same pressures, resulting in less noise and quicker pressure changes.

The benefit to the patient is both more comfort and less noise, two major problems for some patients.

Q. What are the differences between the S8 AutoSet and the S8 AutoScore machines?

A. The Autoset machine uses varying pressure to treat any restriction of air ways. The pressure fluctuates, increasing as required to treat hypopneas and apneas, and then lowering as the restrictions abate.

The Autoscore remains at a fixed pressure, based on a level determined during your sleep study. It however can be set to have a slightly lower exhalation pressure, which some patients find more comfortable. CPAP Australia
cpap@cpapaustralia.com.au
http://www.cpapaustralia.com.au

[Slinky]

Now, now, Ozij, don't you be picking on our Resmeds!!! Tsk, tsk. Play nice.

[ozij]

Awww Slinky, I was playing very nice, I didn't even say:

"As for the 420e - that little sucker is one hell of a blower."

And I think Resmed are really not fair when they call a straight cpap an "Auto"anything.

O.

[Slinky]

... And I think Resmed are really not fair when they call a straight cpap an "Auto"anything.

No comment. I can't argue w/your logic on that. You gonna twist my arm and make me say that I agree??

[ozij]

No comment. I can't argue w/your logic on that. You gonna twist my arm and make me say that I agree??

You mean, after mckooi asked about the Resmed Auto, and linked to a Resmed Straight ?....

This though, appears on the Resmed Autoset (the one that sets pressure automatically) Platinum Series brochure - added emphasis mine.

Greater insights with powerful ResScan™
ResMed’s therapy management suite is rich with
tools that provide greater insights into treatment.
Available to clinicians as well as patients, ResScan
is the software used to view all data downloaded
from the device onto a PC.
Using ResScan software, clinicians and patients
can easily monitor compliance, response to therapy
and effectiveness of treatment.

[billbolton]

1. They are NOT available in the USA.
2. The impression I was given in searching on it is that they are only available in Australia so far (I think I remember it might also be available in the nearby areas - but it is SPECIFICALLY NOT available in North America).

They are shown as available on all the Resmed global web sites except for North America. I gather that is because of the way the FDA certification requirements work and presume that in the fullness of time they will be available in North America as well

Available to clinicians as well as patients, ResScan is the software used to view all data downloaded from the device onto a PC. Using ResScan software, clinicians and patients can easily monitor compliance, response to therapy and effectiveness of treatment.

There's nothing new here. That's always been Resmed's position on the applicability and availability of their software outside the US. The position inside the US is governed by US regulations and I'd guess you probably wont find that statement in North American brochures (etc) once the S8 II models become available there.

Cheers,

Bill

[billbolton]

And I think Resmed are really not fair when they call a straight cpap an "Auto"anything.

As has been mentioned numerous times previously here, the S8 "Autoscore" global model is called the S8 "Elite" in North America and no doubt that convention will be followed again when the S8 II models get through the FDA certification process.

Cheers,

Bill