wader a detriment to the forum? You decide

[wading thru the muck!]

I feel that you (wader) interfere too much on this forum and are therefore a detriment.

Rock & Roll feels my comments are a detriment to the forum and has posted as such.

I stand by my comments and my contribution. I respect your opinions. I'll let you all decide.

[Big Snore]

Rock on Wader!!

I am a lurker who enjoys the content of this forearm, I cant imagine it without the knowledge and insight that the likes of Wader, rested gal etc... bring to this bored. Thank you all very much, you make dealing with this disease MUCH easier

[LDuyer]

Sorry, didn't mean to be among the first to respond, but I was up after struggling with my bipap and couldn't sleep.......

I for one don't think you're a "detriment" to the forum or that you "interfere" with it in any way. I would say everyone here on the forum is an asset, even (dare I say it?) Rock & Roll.

It's true we all can be a little terse, or moody, or silly, or opinionated, or maybe even a little out of line. Many of us here, myself included, are guilty of being, well, human. I agree that name calling is not nice. But sometimes, and without realizing it, we can provoke. Sometimes we think things should go a certain way, not realizing we might be meaning "our" way. I say we're all guilty of doing these things. I would say that it would behoove (is "behoove" a word?) all the Waders, Rock & Rollers, LDuyers, etc. of the world and the forum to try and be forgiving, even when the rest of us do something not quite the right way or are perceived as doing something wrong.

We're all in this same sandbox together, and we all don't play alike. Give forgiveness a try. You are a terrific asset to this forum. You dispense advice, encouragement, a supportive ear, ... and you care deeply about people suffering from sleep apnea or are having trouble with the treatment. You also work hard outside the forum in the interests of sleep apnea. People here know this. They don't let a little tiff bother them. Most people here know you mean well and are a great asset to the forum. Most know you are just like them, great assets to the forum.

Keep plugging away with the forum!

[murried2]

I for one, think you are an asset to this forum. You were one of the first ones to help with my questions about my Remstar auto.

Everyone contributes to the forum in their own way and others may not always agree with something someone has said, but that's just part of a public forum.

[Mikesus]

Wader, let it roll off your back... Without people contributing daily, this board wouldn't exist. As on any board, drive by comments are to be expected.

[Liam1965]

Absolutely. Wader, this place would be SO much better without you... and rested gal and -SWS.

Clearly, what this board needs is to be scrubbed of all good content, any discussion off topic, or any opinion or entertainment value what so ever.

Once we have the board down to perhaps 3 posts a day, two newbies asking questions that'll never be answered and one "guest" telling them they asked wrong and that they're what's with the board, everything will be right with the world.

Liam, who feels your pain, wader.

[Davidmcc]

IMHO Wader was correct. Maybe I should join the forum police with him as I am also of the view that at times threads wander too far off track from the original subject matter. Because of ths one has to read though every thread and reply too find gems of information, that in many cases should have been the start of a new thread, with a new index heading.
Sorry to be so pedantic, but lets also have a bit of tolerence, keep up the humour and not be too thin skinned. Otherwise this forum will detiorate the way so many other forums seem to do once egos have become bruised and those who might otherwise offer advice that can be taken or left simply choose to say nothing.

[unclebob]

Hi Muck,

Debated long and hard before making this post. Primarily because I don't really have the time or inclination to get involved in other people's spats, particularly those who I have never met.

However. I do feel I know both you and rock and roll (as well as many others who have made my life better on this forum) to some degree so started to feel a little posessive and want to protect my interests. That one or both of you leave the forum and don't come back would be bad news to me and many others in my opinion.

Personally I think both of you are a little picky at times particularly when responding to one another. If I had to pick a picky winner I'd take a peep at Wader.

The only reason I say that, Wader, is because you started this thread. You really do not have to apologize to anyone nor do you have to solicit endorsements for your posts to justify them. They are your's alone as are rock and roll's and the rest of can read and make our own decisions. If you want to shout at one another then you should do it privately - use all the capitals you like.

If you each try to get the last post in, some threads could be very long and tedious, taking away the real purpose of the Forum. Starting a thread like this one only pits the two of you against one another forcing others to make a choice. Frankly, it's not a choice I care to make nor will I .

Please agree to disagree once and for all. Let it be done and continue to give the rest of us your valuable comments and observations.

All the best to both of you and hopefully to all the rest of us as well.

Bob F

[WillSucceed]

I agree with LDuyer

It's true we all can be a little terse, or moody, or silly, or opinionated, or maybe even a little out of line. Many of us here, myself included, are guilty of being, well, human. I agree that name calling is not nice. But sometimes, and without realizing it, we can provoke. Sometimes we think things should go a certain way, not realizing we might be meaning "our" way.

Breadth of opinion and comment is a good thing; the people using this Board are well helped by info and opinion by all users. I believe that two factors are critical:
1) Those who ASK questions need to bear in mind that the answers that they get are just opinions and, that they should seek out answers from places other than this Board --talking with their Dr., R.T., Supplier, etc. They should distill all of this information down to answers that work for them.

2) Those who ANSWER questions need to bear in mind that what they are saying is just their opinion which MAY be of help to others, but is not the Gospel for anyone other than themself. Offer suggestions, but scale back on the emotionality of the message.

Anytime any of us gets disrespectful of difference (thinking that things MUST be done the way we do them or, thinking that if others think differently than us we are in conflict, etc.,) we will run into trouble.

I know that Liam has felt wounded in the past by people telling him to back off. This does not mean that they dislike Liam or don't want him to contribute to the Board, it just means be tolerant, respectful and cognizant that people are all different. I think that this needs to apply to ALL of us, all the time.

[loonlvr]

I think you are a great asset in here. You have spent lots of time analysing data looking for trends in the numbers that ppl post. As you remember derek posted some of my charts, and you as well as others had great insights into what was going on. You also give ppl the push they need to get after their sleep docs and dme s to get answers and the equipment they need. Keep on truckin !!!!!!!!!!

[Mikesus]

Liam, guess that means I can stay

[rested gal]

Everyone who posts on this message board is an asset to it. Everyone who posts a question, raises an issue, offers advice, welcomes a newcomer, provides a humorous take on things, recommends what's worked for them, muses philosophically, posts a link to more info, reviews something they've tried, explains techie issues, makes a supportive, encouraging post, or just plain vents.

Of course there will be occasional personality clashes and misunderstandings... and a lot of differences of opinion. That's going to happen on message boards, just as in everyday life. Perhaps more so on message boards.

Everyone who posts on this message board brings vitality and value to it, imho.

[FL andy]

AMEN to ALL of the above except for the original post that caused the start of this thread/discussion. I am referring to Rock and Roll's post, not Wader's.

Wader: You are without question an asset, a very important asset, to this forum. Stay the course my friend!

Rock and Roll: You are also an asset to this forum. Stay the course my friend!

Everyone: This discussion is the result of *reading* posts instead of hearing them spoken by a real live human being who has tone of voice, facial expressions, body language, etc.

This post may also be the result of one's *momentary* use of words that he or she would not normally use.

I know that sometimes I read this message board when I am not in the best of moods. And I am sure that sometimes my choice of words in replying to a post would have changed after a good night's sleep.

Personally, I do not use the special symbols that some use to indicate moods, etc. I think those symbols are excellent, but I don't know what they mean and am concerned I will use the wrong symbol and offend someone.

Maybe someone can add a list of the more commonly employed expressive symbols to the research files of this list. When I know what each symbol means, I can start to use them.

*Expressive* Symbols can easily change a comment from one that is *read* as negative to a comment that is really a funny joke, the way in which it was meant to be read. Expressive symbols can also help a person, who is in a very rotton mood when posting, to help soften his post.

SO, PLEASE, SOMEONE PROVIDE US DUMMIES WITH A LIST OF EXPRESSIVE SYMBOLS. We can all learn to use these symbols over time.

Let us all give the other person the benefit of a doubt and let us all stay the course.

Andy

[2listless]

This is an open forum to be used to offer advice, give an opinion, vent our frustrations, laugh together and cry together. Everyone offers an insight that is unique. You have a choice to read what interests you and ignore the rest. Personal issues should be kept private - which is the purpose of allowing private messages!! This forum is a wonderful place - all the posts are helpful, sad, funny and sometimes downright heartbreaking when someone is truly seeking help. Let us keep it that way by keeping personal opinions about other people in private message posts, not in public. As my sweet old grandma used to say, "do not air your dirty laundry in public."
I find all the posts interesting reading - let's keep it that way with a tear, a smile, a little intelligence and a sense of humor!

[Sleeping With The Enemy]

Did I miss something??? Where in the world did this come from?

Wader you have been so helpful to me as have others on the forum. Without you this place just wouldn't be the same.

I think people need to quit picking at others. No more personal attacks are called for in a place that is suppose to be supportive. This "one up on you" attitiude has go to go, its just childish.

Now can we get on with the business of endlessly comparing masks and cracking hose jokes.

Thank you.

Sleeping with the Enemy