Sleep Apnea & Racing Thoughts?

[Fejsbukpejdz]

Hello...
I have looked up my psychiatric book for sleep apnea keyword to see what all manifestations are associated with sleep apnea.

It very striklingly named "racing thoughts" as common in people with sleep apnea.

I then looked up Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_thoughts

Right at the beginning of the article in the second sentence it says racing thoughts are most commonly described in people with sleep apnea.

So far so good, but where are the sources for this claim?

Later in the therapy part it says it can be treated but really? Again no sources.

I googled racing thoughts and sleep apnea. A lot of results, nothing specific..

Failed to find some studies through pubmed search.

Did any of you guys experience racing thoughts?

[chunkyfrog]

Yes, when experiencing ANXIETY, and anxiety quite often occurs
in connection with untreated apnea.
With treatment, I no longer experience it.
Personal experience, no science.

[Fejsbukpejdz]

Then definitely I will dig deeper into this. Thank you so much for your response, I really appreciate it.

[Dog Slobber]

Could you clarify what kind of racing thoughts?

Nascar, F1 or drag?

[Fejsbukpejdz]

Could you clarify what kind of racing thoughts?

Nascar, F1 or drag?

Well I do not mean racing thoughts before falling asleep.

In fact, those are insomnia inducing thoughts meaning, they speak against or at least possibly against OSA diagnosis.

Now racing thoughts upon waking up, or during the day with inability to concentrate and focus and with emotional instability.

That is something I would expect?!

But then again... Neither did my book, nor wikipedia article say what type of racing thoughts they meant.

I guess F1 ones lol

[Julie]

You wouldn't have been diagnosed with ADHD by any chance recently?

[Fejsbukpejdz]

https://www.dovepress.com/obstructive-s ... rticle-NDT#

So apparently, more than every 5th person with sleep apnea has depression, 16.7% have anxiety (most likely racing thoughts would be a part of it).
I assume there is a high number of them having it both as well.

In the studies they had significant improvements after CPAP therapy.
I will look further on pubmed and elsewhere about these things.

You know by preventing sleep apnea, so much trouble can be lifted. Just imagine, it is not just getting better sleep. It is like getting your life back.

I can imagine some dumb doctor giving an undiagnosed patient with sleep apnea, benzos to calm his nerves....

Actually, I can imagine that happening OFTEN, considering how stupid psychiatrists work these days. I have seen such stuff happen a lot.

[Fejsbukpejdz]

You wouldn't have been diagnosed with ADHD by any chance recently?

haha maybe...

you know that song by Seal..

"But we're never gonna survive unless
We get a little crazy"

follows me through my life ever since surviving genocide in Bosnia. I heard it from some U.S. soldier on his cassette player. Dude gave me a chocolate and a cassette. Never saw him again, nor I ever learned his name.

But those lines... "But we're never gonna survive unless
We get a little crazy"

they follow me to this day

whenever I feel urge to like read, learn, do, work idk... or get lost in work. I just, those lines play in my mind

as long as you smile <3

[Julie]

Did you ever see Zorba (the Greek)? He told Alan... other actor who was too serious... that you have to be a little bit mad (crazy) to have a life (or something like that)

But you cleared up one thing... I was trying to guess your national origin - thought you might be Hungarian... but now you explained it... sorry you had to be there!

[chunkyfrog]

. . .
I can imagine some dumb doctor giving an undiagnosed patient with sleep apnea, benzos to calm his nerves....

This happens way more than we'd like to think.

[Fejsbukpejdz]

Did you ever see Zorba (the Greek)? He told Alan... other actor who was too serious... that you have to be a little bit mad (crazy) to have a life (or something like that)

But you cleared up one thing... I was trying to guess your national origin - thought you might be Hungarian... but now you explained it... sorry you had to be there!

Oh yeah I was born in Srebrenica more specifically, have sleep disorders after that childhood, I have them to this day but nothing scary. Used to wet my bed from shelling and granade sounds. Thank God president Clinton came in and saved us. I forgive him the whole thing with Ms. Lewinsky. he's a pretty simle and charming accent...My grandma used to compliment him whenever she saw him on TV after the war. lol

oh... I'm a huge fan of movies!

Thank you so much for suggesting that one.

I know this comment was off topic. Hope we don't get banned.

[Julie]

I don't think you'll be banned for that!

I will guess that part of your sleep incontinence was likely due as much to untreated apnea as bombing and shelling - classic apnea 'history' a lot of us had before we knew what the reason was.

And tell your grandma she had good taste .

[Pugsy]

No banning but I am thinking that a consolidation of all these various questions and thoughts into one thread/topic might be in everyone's best interest.
Some good thoughts are floating around all over the place and maybe it would be better served in one thread.

[Dog Slobber]

Hope we don't get banned.

I wish you and your brother would use separate accounts.

There has been a few times where you (your shared account) has been advised of something, that has gone completely ignored.

Is it because you ignore it, or because it was unseen because your account is shared by two people.

My brothers a final year medical student

HEllo Julie it is me his brother.

I didn't understand...

Talking to you is like talking to Sybil

[jnk...]

Even Dr. K. himself (and I personally consider him to be The Man on this topic) isn't completely sure of the nature of all of the interactive relationships among racing thoughts, insomnia, stress/anxiety, apnea, PAP therapy, etc.:

Despite high prevalence of sleep apnea in chronic insomnia patients, few treatment studies have investigated PAP effects on insomnia symptoms. The current research demonstrated a marked decrease in insomnia severity associated with a moderate decrease in racing thoughts following PAP treatment of SDB. Research must determine whether PAP therapy directly decreases racing thoughts or perhaps mediates the complex interaction among racing thoughts, anxiety, and insomnia.--0387 ASV vs CPAP RCT: Changes in Racing Thoughts in Complex Insomnia Disorder; B Krakow, N D McIver, V A Ulibarri Sleep, Volume 41, Issue suppl_1, April 2018, Pages A147–A148, https://doi.org/10.1093/sleep/zsy061.386 Published: 27 April 2018

You may find his books helpful, if you aren't easily irritated by Pop-Psych Speak as a written language.