OZONE Cleaning Health Hazard

[Skyseek]

I have been looking at automatic cleaners like SoClean, etc. They use Ozone to clean the units.

I have been reading that breathing Ozone is hazardous to your health.

It looks like thousands of units like this have been sold.
Just wondering if the users of these Ozone cleaners are aware of the health hazards??

Thanks

[Okie bipap]

Here we go again!!

[zonker]

I have been looking at automatic cleaners like SoClean, etc. They use Ozone to clean the units.

I have been reading that breathing Ozone is hazardous to your health.

It looks like thousands of units like this have been sold.
Just wondering if the users of these Ozone cleaners are aware of the health hazards??

Thanks

welcome to the zoo! the long time members of this forum are certainly well aware of the "non-benefits" of NoClean. and we've had several discussions on this topic. all of them turn quite heated. which is why okie bipap said what he said.

put SoClean into the forums search box then sit back and read to your hearts content!

[Pugsy]

Here we go again!!

Yep...and if it starts going where the past discussions have gone....it won't be allowed to go very far.
No personal attacks no matter how stupid someone might think the other person is. .... No name calling or insinuations either.

[Skyseek]

I did a search on SoClean, etc. Most comments were about whether the cleaning unit actually cleaned the CPAP unit, hose, and mask, and NOT about the health hazards of OZONE cleaning.

For example, most say that you have to let everything hose, mask, etc. air out for 2-3 hours. It still seams like there would be hazardous gases, etc in the hose, mask, and water reservoir caused by the cleaning.

But I see 1000’s of people using OZONE cleaners for their CPAP.

Thanks!

[Julie]

If you need a statement - yes, ozone is harmful and everyone here knows it... I realize you can't go through all the past posts re SC on the forum, but there are many that do talk about the ozone and its non-benefits. Do you know SC is in court (being sued) over their stuff?

[ChicagoGranny]

But I see 1000’s of people using OZONE cleaners for their CPAP.

Judging by the number of TV ads they run, it may be in the hundreds of thousands.

Don't expect a class-action lawsuit. The companies are poorly capitalized - not enough money for vulture lawyers to take on the case.

[Skyseek]

That is why I am going to pass and continue cleaning the way I am currently.

I hope they do come out with a safe cleaning unit ( I read that UV may be the next wave of development of CPAP cleaners)

Thanks!

[Pugsy]

Actually if you dig a little deeper in the posts here we do talk about the hazards of ozone which is a poisonous gas.
But so many of those promoting it don't seem to want to listen to that little tidbit and want to focus on the cleaning or actually the non cleaning aspect of using those types of cleaners.
We've talked about current law suits...

The people that want to use it simply won't listen to common sense or reason.
The people who think it's a fearmongering scam don't have much patience with those who won't listen.
And we have world war III pop up here.

But....we have talked about the poisonous aspect of the use of ozone quite frequently here.

Just because thousands of people do anything....doesn't mean they are smart doing it.
Seems like every day I read about someone doing something stupid taking a selfie and ending up dead....yet people keep right on doing stupid stuff that could kill them.

[Okie bipap]

There are currently UV sanitizers available. However, the necessity of them is debatable. Cleaning with soap and water is sufficient to remove germs. Any germs on the equipment are yours to start with. Face it, you remove germs by washing the equipment, and as soon as you put it on, you put them back on the equipment. The purpose of washing is to remove the oils and dirt that prevent the mask from sealing properly. Unless you are recovering from a sickness such as the flu or pneumonia, there is really no reason to sterilize your equipment.

[ChicagoGranny]

That is why I am going to pass and continue cleaning the way I am currently.

You should pass because you would be spending money on something that doesn't clean anything. You would still have to wash your mask to get it clean. Anyone with an ozone cleaner should try the peanut butter test:

I have a uri so was unable to use last night.

I had a mild cold last week for two days. I am sure it was mild and short-lived because CPAP helped me breathe and sleep well. It's always important to use CPAP, and the most important time may be when one has a cold.

I ordered a so clean

Return it for the full money refund they guarantee.

Risks:
The residual smell of ozone may be unpleasant and risky. Ozone exposure is potentially dangerous among those with respiratory conditions. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration describes it as a “toxic gas with no known useful medical application.” The Environmental Protection Agency says that relatively low amounts of ozone can cause shortness of breath and worsen chronic respiratory disease.

In fact, ironically, exposure to it may compromise the body’s ability to fight respiratory infections.

...

Ultimately, the available CPAP cleaners and sanitizers seem unlikely to provide additional cleaning capacity beyond standard methods of cleaning with soap and water. There is no evidence that these devices reduce the risk of infection.

These companies also have no financial interest in investigating this possibility. The devices sell well without any such study. This may reveal much about the motivation behind the recent push in direct-to-consumer marketing of the product, beyond the science supporting its use.

A Word From Verywell
Further research may be helpful to determine if these devices have any role in routine CPAP therapy. The risk of infection is so small, and the evidence for benefit so weak, that these devices are not currently recommended. Save your money and buy a lifetime supply of liquid dish soap instead!

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-you-n ... in-4171650

From a microbiologist with 25 years experience with sterilization and disinfection of equipment and facilities used in the production of sterile pharmaceuticals:

I will give you some facts, and I base the facts on the fact that I am the one who works in the industry of low temperature sterilzation

1. So Clean claims they use the same technology as is used in hospitals. LIE - the hospital ozone sterilizers cost upwards of 100,000.00 and require an O2 farm (a room with 15 to 20 tall O2 cylinders) to provide pure oxygen to extract the ozone. Besides the fact that SoClean lied about this, why on earth do you think a 300.00 device can even come close to what a 100,000.00 device can do. If SoClean was validated to sterilize or even high level disinfect, hospitals would have hundreds of them rather than the 100K devices. The SoClean just does not have the power to do what you think it does.

2. It does not clean. Period. You think it does, place a small dab of peanut butter in your hose and see if it is still there when the cycle is complete. You think this is not a good test, it is the basis of the VA soil test, the test that all medical cleaners must pass or they cannot claim to clean.

3. Amazon reviews - nothing but feel good stories. I have not read one Amazon review that can factually claim that the SoClean kills germs. If you know of one, please post the link because I would like to read it. What is the basis of a 5 star review when all they can go on is they like it? Meaningless.

4. I did own a SoClean on the 30 day trial, when I realized what it was vs. the claims they make I returned it under the 30 day return policy. Why not just get one of the room ozone fans and hang your mask in front of it, they would both do the same thing which is nothing.

I am just repeating the same thing I have typed here about a hundred times; for now on I will just say it is awesome, give the scammers your money, you will love it.

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[Pugsy]

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-you-n ... in-4171650

Is it really needed that we nuke (and that's assuming they get nuked) the germs on our equipment?
I guess the answer to that is how much is a person afraid of the germs that they are carrying already and putting on their equipment every time they touch it....or in the air they are already breathing 24/7 anyway.

Me.....I am not much scared of my own germs since they are every where I am.... and since no one else ever messes with my equipment then no one else can put their germs on my stuff.

Now if I had some sort of health issues where the immune system was compromised and killing all extra germs was critical...then I would be having a talk with my doctor about the best thing for me to do .....I wouldn't be listening to scaremongering ads.

[Dog Slobber]

That is why I am going to pass and continue cleaning the way I am currently.

I hope they do come out with a ( I read that UV may be the next wave of development of CPAP cleaners)

Thanks!

CPAP has been the gold standard for Apnea treatment since the 80s. Millions of people use CPAP nightly.

If a "safe cleaning unit" was important, you would expect to see a statistically significant, higher number of illness and respiratory infections for those who use CPAP compared to those who don't.

But there's no data to support that.

SoClean and their dishonesty has now convinced the next generation of CPAP users that CPAP machines harm them.

[Cpapian]

I wonder why people don't worry about how clean their toothbrush is.

[Pugsy]

I wonder why people don't worry about how clean their toothbrush is.

I have often wondered this myself. We all know where the majority of toothbrushes are kept.
Is there anyone who doesn't keep it in the bathroom???? The second dirtiest room in the house...with big surprise...the kitchen being probably number one dirtiest despite what people might think. I read study awhile back about how many pathogens were cultured and growing in the kitchen compared to the bathroom...and the kitchen won hands down both for number and nasty types of pathogens.

Yet, OMG I just have to nuke my cpap mask because I might breathe in a germ that I am carrying around on my body and contaminate everything I touch with....
But then maybe some people do worry about their toothbrush's cleanliness and maybe secretly nuke them as well.

Each to their own....whatever floats your boat...or helps you sleep better even if it is just a placebo...I really don't care what someone does with their time, money or equipment. I only worry about stuff I can actually make a change with and I don't expend my energy trying to change people's minds about stuff like this when they really don't want to change their minds.
If common sense isn't enough...I just don't want to bother. I got more important things going on in my life.