Switch from FFM to nasal pillows? How did you do it?

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[tyrone747]

I'm going through this transition also. Like you, I don't want to use a chin strap or tape my mouth. If it comes to that I'll just use my FFM. I've been told that through training you will eventually keep your mouth closed. Having air rushing out your mouth I imagine is a good training aid. My plan is to use my pillow mask as many nights as possible until my fatigue level gets very high then I'll do a night on my FFM again to get some rest.

[babydinosnoreless]

I don't tape. I just switched and surprise surprise even though I am a mouth breather during the day I do not at night. When I put my nasal mask on air leaks out my mouth if its open so I shut my mouth and it stays that way while I'm sleeping. You will never know unless you try.

[zonker]

I've been using a FFM since starting therapy in April.

welcome to the zoo! i understand your "less not more" approach to nasal pillows. in my case, i use the scunci rig because, with a beard, i couldn't tame the leaks of either a ffm or nasal, so no prob for me to make the switch in that regard. which means i haven't any helpful suggestions for you.

but why do you want to go to nose pillows? do you feel you're not successful with a full mask?

[djams]

I've been using a FFM since starting therapy in April. Didn't even consider anything else at the time because I am a longtime mouth breather. When I'm on my back (which I try not to do) my mouth opens. And my tongue relaxes and drops off the roof of my mouth. I know I'd like nasal pillows, if I were able to use them. Less is more in this case. I'm aware of most if not all of the helper items. Chinstrap, cervical collar, scunci, taping. But the whole point for me is less stuff, not more. I like my present routine. Brush my teeth, put on my FFM, turn on the machine, lay down. I don't want to spend minutes gearing up. I'm really interested in hearing about switching from FFM to pillows without adding any support gear. I realize that this may be impossible for me. But if you were able to make the switch in this manner I'd love to hear any tips that helped you.

I started a thread with nearly the same title when I was thinking about switching. I was really lucky - Pugsy had spare Swift/FX pillow mask that she sent to me. Really moved me along.

I switched to nasal masks around the end of December last year, absolutely love it. And strongly encourage you to give it a try. It's improved my therapy in every way imaginable. Now, I do tape my mouth. I couldn't even begin to use a nasal mask otherwise. Like you, my mouth drops open. Before PAP, I couldn't even begin to count the number of times my wife woke me up shaking me and pleading "roll over and shut your mouth!".

Believe me, trading FFM straps for thin strips of tape over your lips is a fantastic trade-off. In my case, the lower mask strap was pulling my jaw back enough to facilitate closing my airway off. I've been able to drop my min pressure nearly 50% (from 12 to 7).

Best advice I can give you is to get a Bleep DreamPort (no leaks, no straps) and give it a try. Mouth taping is no big deal IMO. Give it a try if you have mouth leaks with a nasal mask. But most importantly - do give nasal masks a try!

And, welcome to the forum.

[Janknitz]

This might work for you:

I have one of those C-shaped plush covered pillows that people often use as a travel pillow. It's filled with buckwheat hulls, and you can take out some to make the pillow softer and more pliable. It's comfy and soft like a stuffed animal toy (softer, as I've removed a lot of filling).

When I wear my FF mask (only because I'm sick and having trouble with nose breathing temporarily) I tuck that pillow under my chin sort of like a cervical collar to support the mask which otherwise tends to sag and leak when I sleep on my back (when I'm sick I sometimes sleep on my back to keep my head elevated to ease my asthmatic breathing).

Perhaps tucking a small, soft pillow like that under your chin will work sort of like a cervical collar? It's less confining than a cervical collar and very soft and comfortable. Maybe worth a try.

The other suggestion I have is a single piece of tape applied vertically from above the upper lip to the chin. Not as elaborate as taping across your mouth--most of your mouth is not covered by the tape. It doesn't have to be very wide, just enough to keep your jaw from dropping down when you are relaxed on your back.

[moonboots]

I started my therapy a year ago and used the f10 until a few months ago when I switched to the p10 nasal pillow. I’m a mouth breather but from the Info I got here I bought a box of 3m micropore tape on amazon cheap, it works brilliant, keeps mouth closed but not sore to pull off, my ahi is lower and in general I’m feeling better, I’m thinking nasal breathing is helping me fell better.

[tyrone747]

3m micropore tape

Amazon reviews say it leaves a lot of adhesive residue on your skin. Does anyone know a good mouth tape that doesn't leave a lot of adhesive?

[moonboots]

I don’t find it leaves any residue, I’m very impressed with the tape, sticks great but not to much, for me anyway

[djams]

3m micropore tape

Amazon reviews say it leaves a lot of adhesive residue on your skin. Does anyone know a good mouth tape that doesn't leave a lot of adhesive?

I also use the 3M micropore, and I've not noticed this at all. Maybe I need to pay more attention. But if it were annoying, surely I'd have noticed.

My one bit of advice on it is to be careful removing it. It will take skin off if you get aggressive.

[palerider]

3m micropore tape

Amazon reviews say it leaves a lot of adhesive residue on your skin. Does anyone know a good mouth tape that doesn't leave a lot of adhesive?

Micropore tape is low residue, however Transpore tape leaves me a sticky gooey mess for days.

[LSAT]

I am strictly a FF user. Over my 10 years I have tried several times to convert to pillows without success. To me it feels like the pressure is much stronger with pillows and I find the tape uncomfortable.

[tyrone747]

I tried tape under my Dreamwear FFM last night and well, I loved it. I also have Dreamwear nasal cushions so tonight I'm going try mouth taping with that. Looking forward to the extra comfort. I'll check the store for 3M medical tape today. Last night I just used a Breathright nasal strip vertically across my lips since that's all I had. It actually worked great.

[raisedfist]

Is it safe to use a combination of FFM + tape? I like the assurance of the FFM - eliminating mouth leak - but I know that nasal breathing is healthier and I believe it also leads to better quality sleep according to dentists.

[Miss Emerita]

I use Somnifix strips to tape. They are pricey, but I find them to be very comfortable at night, and they peel off painlessly in the morning. My skin is very sensitive, but the Somnifix strips are completely non-irritating. Sometimes I need to unseal in order to cough, and I find I can get a good reseal. I got a Reliance plug-in alarm that will sound when there’s no power to the circuit my machine is on. This gives me a little extra assurance that I won’t somehow wind up suffocating during a power outage.