Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

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Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by real » Tue May 08, 2018 4:24 pm

Do all the hours I'm not asleep while my APAP is on distort the readings given on the machine?

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by Julie » Tue May 08, 2018 6:39 pm

Well they will, but you shouldn't be using the machine when you're up and about... it's one thing to use it when you're in bed about to sleep - however long it takes to get 'there', but another to not just wear the mask to get used to the feel but also have the machine on when not about to sleep. Your breathing patterns are very diff. when awake and why have anything on but the mask?

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by Uff Da » Tue May 08, 2018 7:10 pm

Well, I don't know what the situation is for the OP, but a couple of nights I lay there with the mask on for four hours without a wink of sleep. One night I might have managed 15-20 minutes sleep in a four hour period. And the other two nights my sleep time was still a small proportion of the time use. So I've had the same question, how does the actual sleep time compare with the awake time in terms of the numbers I see on the machine? At some point will I be able to get numbers to show the difference?

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by Julie » Tue May 08, 2018 7:20 pm

The numbers won't be valid. Period.

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by D.H. » Tue May 08, 2018 7:25 pm

Considering how many people put the machine in mothballs or return it, I don't wish to criticize anybody who tries to get used to CPAP, even while awake.

Also, as a point of information, this time will count towards compliance time!

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by palerider » Tue May 08, 2018 7:59 pm

real wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 4:24 pm
Do all the hours I'm not asleep while my APAP is on distort the readings given on the machine?
Yes, of course, since the AHI is events divided by hours.

if you have 24 events in 8 hours of sleep, and you dilute the numbers by wearing the mask 12 hours... it'd make your actual AHI of 3 look like 2

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by prodigyplace » Wed May 09, 2018 4:31 am

real wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 4:24 pm
Do all the hours I'm not asleep while my APAP is on distort the readings given on the machine?
The number of hours in use is valid but the analysis of AHI, etc. will be incorrect because the machine is programmed to look at normal sleeping breathing. Our breathing patterns are different when awake. AHI will likely show higher than when asleep.

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by palerider » Wed May 09, 2018 9:11 pm

prodigyplace wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 4:31 am
The number of hours in use is valid
Wrong
prodigyplace wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 4:31 am
but the analysis of AHI, etc. will be incorrect
True
prodigyplace wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 4:31 am
because the machine is programmed to look at normal sleeping breathing.
wrong
prodigyplace wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 4:31 am
Our breathing patterns are different when awake.
True
prodigyplace wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 4:31 am
AHI will likely show higher than when asleep.
Not necessarily, it could be much lower.

Please don't comment on things you don't know.

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by 32blownhemi » Thu May 10, 2018 2:18 am

At first I wore my mask when I was awake in order to get my compliance time in. I was having trouble sleeping all night with it on... My sleep therapist even said I could wear it when I was awake to get used to it.... DH mentioned that so many people just put their machine in moth balls that you should do whatever you have to do to get used to it... And since I've had my machine & have talked about it with friends? Two of my friends have mentioned they have it & haven't worn the mask in years....

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by prodigyplace » Thu May 10, 2018 2:45 am

palerider wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 9:11 pm

Please don't comment on things you don't know.
Please do not comment in threads without providing any useful information.

Most of us here are not omniscient and are open to learning. You provided no correct useful information in your post.

Before you go off on another tirade, remember I am just providing straight, factual information like you claim to do but failed in this case.

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by Julie » Thu May 10, 2018 4:18 am

Would be a good idea to provide some data to back up your assertions.

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by prodigyplace » Thu May 10, 2018 5:38 am

Julie wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 4:18 am
Would be a good idea to provide some data to back up your assertions.
The thread I quoted merely said I was wrong on some things without saying something useful, like what is correct, and possibly why. He provided the data to back up that assertions in that post.

Most people can disagree and provide advice without being disagreeable. PR, apparently, is not one of those people.

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu May 10, 2018 6:14 am

real wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 4:24 pm
Do all the hours I'm not asleep while my APAP is on distort the readings given on the machine?
Can you provide a specific example of what you are concerned about?

(The machine does not know whether you are asleep or awake.)

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Re: Does waking time with mask on distort readings?

Post by palerider » Thu May 10, 2018 11:47 am

. wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 2:45 am
Before you go off on another tirade, remember I am just providing straight, factual information like you claim to do but failed in this case.
Only, you're *not* providing "straight, factual" anything.

You're providing *MISinformation". What you're saying is WRONG.

Yes, people are here to learn, and having MISinformation posted is a disservice to those that want to learn.

You weren't completely wrong, but the important parts of what you were saying was, at best, misleading and unhelpful.

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