additive to humidifier

[georger123]

Does any one know of a non oil based additive that can be placed in the humidifier to aid chronic rhinitis. Can't breath, difficult to use the C-PAP

[Sleepy-eyes]

I can't seem to find a link to the thread, but the general consensus throughout the thread was that "nothing" should ever be added to the water in your humidifier.

[roster]

Anybody tried this: http://www.pur-sleep.com./?

[bookwrm63]

Georger,

As stated above, nothing but distilled water should be put in your humidifier. Have you tried sinus rinses yet?
What does your doctor suggest?

Mary

[Sleepless_in_LM]

Anybody tried this: http://www.pur-sleep.com./?

That is the website that is hosting the "Sleeping with the Enemy" article, so somebody here must have a connection...

[tomjax]

Best advice is to use NOTHING but distilled water.

There will always be those attracted to such sites and products.

I always am amused when they use NATURAL or ORGANIC and point to the dangers of artificial products.
But there will always be a cult of followers, regardless of how ridiculous it is.
A layer of oil may interfere with the water being released. Not sure the extent or total effect though.
IMHO, most of this is pure BS

tomjax

[SleepGuy]

The pur-sleep website is mine and I am more than happy to claim responsibility for everything in it. It was the only way I knew of hosting the Sleeping with the Enemy pdf file so everyone could access it from the net (and note that the link is to the pdf file and nothing else).

Tomjax, nothing personal here but you sometimes have a habit of offering strongly-worded personal opinions as though they were scientific fact but without doing any homework or providing other support. Obviously you didn’t spend much time on the website because nothing there advocates using essential oils in the equipment. Rather, I have invented a universal in-line diffuser to diffuse aromatics in connection with the equipment (in-line): no potential equipment damage and you still use only distilled water in the chamber.

I’ve posted an 11-page White Paper on the website that goes through the scientific basis for everything on the website. The paper includes 35 citations to published, scientific studies about CPAP compliance, olfaction, and essential oils. It speaks for itself and I would ask that before anyone offers more personal opinions on this subject, they back up what they say with some evidence so people reading these threads can make up their own minds. I’ve had a number of researchers and doctors respond with interest to the White Paper, including two Harvard doctors (one of whom called the ideas “ingeneous” and “amazingly simple.”). Every single claim, fact, and figure on the website is fully supported.

For example, in response to the personal opinion that use of essential oils is BS, I would like to note just a single scientific study cited in the White Paper that demonstrates, with scientific certainty, that lavender essential oil improves deep sleep in humans. The abstract for the study states:

“Aromatherapy is an anecdotal method for modifying sleep and mood. However, whether olfactory exposure to essential oils affects night-time objective sleep remains untested. Previous studies also demonstrate superior olfactory abilities in women. Therefore, this study investigated the effects of an olfactory stimulus on subsequent sleep and assessed gender differences in such effects. Thirty-one young healthy sleepers (16 men and 15 women, aged 18 to 30 yr, mean+/-SD, 20.5+/-2.4 yr) completed 3 consecutive overnight sessions in a sleep laboratory: one adaptation, one stimulus, and one control night (the latter 2 nights in counterbalanced order). Subjects received an intermittent presentation (first 2 min of each 10 min interval) of an olfactory (lavender oil) or a control (distilled water) stimulus between 23:10 and 23:40 h. Standard polysomnographic sleep and self-rated sleepiness and mood data were collected. Lavender increased the percentage of deep or slow-wave sleep (SWS) in men and women. All subjects reported higher vigor the morning after lavender exposure, corroborating the restorative SWS increase. Lavender also increased stage 2 (light) sleep, and decreased rapid-eye movement (REM) sleep and the amount of time to reach wake after first falling asleep (wake after sleep onset latency) in women, with opposite effects in men. Thus, lavender serves as a mild sedative and has practical applications as a novel, nonphotic method for promoting deep sleep in young men and women and for producing gender-dependent sleep effects.”

Goel, N, Hyungsoo, K, Lao, RP (2005); An Olfactory Stimulus Modifies Nighttime Sleep in Young Men and Women; Chronobiology International Vol. 22, No. 5:889-904.

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[Sleepless_in_LM]

The pur-sleep website is mine and I am more than happy to claim responsibility for everything in it. It was the only way I knew of hosting the Sleeping with the Enemy pdf file so everyone could access it from the net (and note that the link is to the pdf file and nothing else).

SleepGuy,
I certainly didn't mean to infer that there was anything wrong with your site or you hosting the PDF for the great article you helped write. Thank you for both! I was just pointing out there was a "connection out there" between that site and this board and someone must know something about it.

In fact, I have no problems with you mentioning your site on this board. Everyone here has taken the initiative to take an active role in their therapy and thus ought to be intelligent enough to look at websites offering help with their therapy and make decisions about the value it will have for them. I, for one, am still in search of that elusive perfect night's sleep (and far to often still trying to find that "good" night's sleep), so I will be doing some serious reading on your site!

[air]

Does any one know of a non oil based additive that can be placed in the humidifier to aid chronic rhinitis. Can't breath, difficult to use the C-PAP

This sounds like a technicaly ineffective and dangerous idea.
Why should you fill your lungs all night with something that you need for your nose and not your lungs?

[roster]

[quote="georger123"]Does any one know of a non oil based additive that can be placed in the humidifier to aid chronic rhinitis. Can't breath, difficult to use the C-PAP

[Guest]

Sleepguy,
I had not been to your site when I wrote what I did and intended it to be an opinion on aromatherapy in general.
I try to always differentiate what is my OPINION and what is established fact, or at least established to my very critical standards.

Now that I have looked at your site, I think it is an excellent concept and well presented. It shows lots of hard work and great marketing skills.

Back to my opinion. I am totally convinced that "feel good" things are very effecting in improving our attitudes and ability to relax.
Pleasant smells certainly meet this criteria.
The part that I am not convinced is the therapeutic value of aromas. But what does it matter if the only benefit is the feel good mood it puts you in. Your product certainly does this in a clever manner.
The placebo effect cannot be ignored in these cases.
You have avoided the potential problems of mixing the oils in the water and I think this is important.
I still reserve my skepticism for those natural and organic claims. This was the BS I was referring to.
tomjax

[SleepGuy]

Tomjax, thanks for the clarification!

Believe it or not I could not agree more that there are far, far too many unsupported claims about the therapeutic value (meaning disease and illness therapy and healing) of essential oils. Some of them may be true (as with lavender helping sleep) but very few of the claims are supported by much more than the words themselves. If you believed half of what's out there in the EO world, they cure everything from herpes to cancer.

It's too bad that the therapeutic claims detract so much from what I consider to be by far the most amazing value of essential oils--their aromatic effect on mood and emotion.