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Heated tube

Post by mibbim » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:17 am

Any benefit to a heated tube if the machine come with a humidifier? It's better with or without it? Thanks!

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Re: Heated tube

Post by Julie » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:29 am

If your room is cold at some times of the year, having cold moisture coming at you is not going to be fun, so either using at least the heat from the humidifier or a heated hose would be a good idea. It's really up to you though to decide what you prefer.

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Re: Heated tube

Post by Sheffey » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:47 am

mibbim wrote:Any benefit to a heated tube if the machine come with a humidifier? It's better with or without it? Thanks!
Do you even need a humidifier? Unless you live in an arid climate, you probably don't need one. Humidifiers, in most climates, are self-indulgent nonsense.
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Re: Heated tube

Post by Julie » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:01 am

That's ridiculous! Many people really need to use one and you can't possibly speak for everyone.

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Re: Heated tube

Post by Pugsy » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:02 am

Heated hoses allow for more consistent humidity delivery at whatever hose air temperature you prefer.
If the bedroom ambient air temp is rather cool (like mine is in the winter) then the warmer air feels better and there's no ice cube nose syndrome.
Heated hoses will help prevent condensation in the hose as well as the mask and while rain out (condensation) won't hurt you it sure is annoying.
Heated hoses aren't necessarily "hot" air either. It all starts with the ambient room air temp so you can make it as warm or as cool as you like without sacrificing humidity. I use a much cooler hose air temp in the summer and warmer in the winter and keep the humidity delivered the same. My nose doesn't like it when the humidity is less than it likes or is used to.

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Re: Heated tube

Post by Pap-Daddy » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:18 am

It is better to have the heated. hose and not need it or want to use it. I preferred the heat when using a FFM when I first started. After that I found it heated up my whole body when breathing warm air during the summer. If this is your first cpap it is wiser to ask for it.

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Re: Heated tube

Post by LSAT » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:30 am

Sheffey wrote:
mibbim wrote:Any benefit to a heated tube if the machine come with a humidifier? It's better with or without it? Thanks!
Do you even need a humidifier? Unless you live in an arid climate, you probably don't need one. Humidifiers, in most climates, are self-indulgent nonsense.
Where you live in GA, it's humid most of the year...not so in the rest of the world.

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Re: Heated tube

Post by ChicagoGranny » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:02 am

Sheffey wrote:
Do you even need a humidifier? Unless you live in an arid climate, you probably don't need one. Humidifiers, in most climates, are self-indulgent nonsense.
+1

I only use mine when the room R/H gets below 35%. This winter, I did not use it at all. Last year, three or four nights.

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Re: Heated tube - only for use with humidifer!

Post by D.H. » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:46 am

In fact, I don't believe that any CPAP is made that can support a heated hose without the concurrent use of a heated humidifier. The whole purpose of a heated hose is to prevent condensation (a.k.a. "rainout") form occurring.

In some cases you may be able to connect a heated hose to a CPAP without a heated humidifier. However, the heated hose would act as a regular hose in those cases (there would be no current flowing into the heating element of the hose).

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Re: Heated tube

Post by D.H. » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:50 am

Sheffey wrote:
mibbim wrote:Any benefit to a heated tube if the machine come with a humidifier? It's better with or without it? Thanks!
Do you even need a humidifier? Unless you live in an arid climate, you probably don't need one. Humidifiers, in most climates, are self-indulgent nonsense.
Everybody is different and every residence is different. Some patients insist that they need it, others insist that they can't stand it. There is no "one size fits all."

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Re: Heated tube

Post by Pugsy » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:01 am

D.H. wrote:I don't believe that any CPAP is made that can support a heated hose without the concurrent use of a heated humidifier.
Actually there are stand alone heated hoses available that can be used with or without a humidifier being attached.
D.H. wrote:The whole purpose of a heated hose is to prevent condensation (a.k.a. "rainout") form occurring.
While preventing condensation is one of the benefits of using a heated hose, it isn't the sole benefit from using a heated hose.
I got my first one just to prevent cold nose syndrome that was waking me up despite the humidifier being set to max.
The air just was too cold in my bedroom and humidifier itself wasn't able to warm the air up enough for comfort.
Then there's the consistent humidity delivery for those people who do find that their nasal mucosa need consistent moisture and get unhappy when the humidity isn't what they need which can happen when we rely upon ambient humidity plus whatever the machine is putting out.

So there's a lot more to a heated hose than just rain out prevention and the more could actually be more important (depending on the person) than rain out prevention.

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Re: Heated tube

Post by mibbim » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:21 am

Thanks for everyone! I will need a heated hose after reading. I am in MI, half of year are winter. My room temp usually below 60 at night (save money for heating...><). And my old bipap have a heated humidifier since my mouth always opened when I sleep. So I used a full face mask.

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Re: Heated tube

Post by Pugsy » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:35 am

mibbim wrote: My room temp usually below 60 at night (save money for heating...><
You will want the added warmth in the winter. I am further south than you but when it gets cold this old poorly insulated farmhouse is hard to keep warm and often my bedroom temps are in the 50s and 60s. I actually like to have the cold bedroom temps and use nice warm covers but my nose didn't like the cold air blowing in/on it. It was really uncomfortable and would cause me to have a lot of wake ups during the night. A hose cozy prevented rain out but didn't help with the air just being to cool for comfort during the winter months.

You can still use the heated hose during warmer months if you wish just by turning the temp down on the hose air or just switch out a non heated hose for those times (non heated hoses are cheap). I prefer year round use so that the humidity, that my nose needs, is always the same no matter what the air temp might be.

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Re: Heated tube

Post by Sheffey » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:52 am

ChicagoGranny wrote:I only use mine when the room R/H gets below 35%. This winter, I did not use it at all. Last year, three or four nights.
LSAT wrote:Where you live in GA, it's humid most of the year...not so in the rest of the world.
R/H runs 35 - 40% in my home for about six months of summer. Outside is 70 - 99%.

My variable speed heat pump takes the humidity our of the house. It's the only way to live here and wear a CPAP mask and spinal collar.
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Re: Heated tube

Post by palerider » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:22 am

Sheffey wrote:R/H runs 35 - 40% in my home for about six months of summer. Outside is 70 - 99%.

My variable speed heat pump takes the humidity our of the house. It's the only way to live here and wear a CPAP mask and spinal collar.
I feel I should have a box of sponges shipped to you

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