Distilled water is just broke(help pls...)

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Distilled water is just broke(help pls...)

Post by adin67 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:33 pm

My device for distilled water is just broke(today). I live in a small town(in Europe) and distilled water is hard to come by.
Is it ok to use demineralized water for my s9( is cheaper and easier to come by here)? However, I found in a single chemicals & construction material store distilled water and demineralized water too(made by the same company).
The distilled water is not for the medical purpose(only) and i don't know how safe it is(the bottles not the water).
The distilled water has 99% purity and 6,3 PH(not exactly a neutral ph).So I don't know what to do(to take it or not).

I took a picture.
On the right side it's a distilled water(boiled method) and on the left it's demineralized water .
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Post by Wulfman... » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:37 pm

I wouldn't worry about it. Whatever is in the water is not going to be carried out of the humidifier tank to you. Water molecules are too small to carry any pathogens with it.


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Post by palerider » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:27 pm

adin67 wrote:The distilled water is not for the medical purpose(only)
I wouldn't worry either. use whichever is cheaper.

the "not for medical purpose" is because that distilled water isn't *sterile* and so isn't suitable for using to mix up something for injection.

or just use tap water and rinse the water tank with vinegar when it gets crusty.

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Post by Sleeprider » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:00 pm

Since 2008 I have never used anything but tap water.

If I'm staying where the water supply is groundwater or sulfur smelling I have used bottled drinking water. No equipment or health problems to report.

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Post by Sir NoddinOff » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:33 pm

Non-distilled water is more about what it does to one's tank than what it does to the individual and their respiratory tract. Obviously we all want to preserve the quality of our tanks to a reasonable degree but there is such a thing as going overboard. If you do get some biofilm residue I've found that using a Q-tip with a salt and H20 slurry will scrub it clean, do the scrubbing gently tho or you will scratch the plastic. Straight vinegar is good for removing mineral scale. Or put it in the dishwasher... top rack only and only if it is a designated a dishwasher safe tank. For a non-dishwasher safe tank, Control III from our sponsor, CPAP.com, will work fairly well.

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Post by archangle » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:53 am

Whatever water you drink is probably good enough for CPAP. As for DI or distilled water, if it's safe to drink, it's OK for CPAP.

Dump the water out every morning, rinse the tank, and let it dry all day. Then fill it up at night. Clean your tank a little more often. If minerals build up, clean them out with a 10% vinegar solution. Replace the tank when needed.

Be sure you have the "cleanable" ResMed S9 tank. The standard tank will say "Distilled water only." You might already have the "cleanable" tank. They tend to provide the cleanable tank outside the US instead of the "standard" tank.

The cleanable tanks are about $35 US online. I'm not sure if there are online dealers in Europe.

Distilled water is worth it to me because it's easy to obtain and makes cleaning easier.

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Re: Distilled water is just broke(help pls...)

Post by adin67 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:01 am

archangle wrote:Whatever water you drink is probably good enough for CPAP. As for DI or distilled water, if it's safe to drink, it's OK for CPAP.
Be sure you have the "cleanable" ResMed S9 tank. The standard tank will say "Distilled water only." You might already have the "cleanable" tank. They tend to provide the cleanable tank outside the US instead of the "standard" tank.
Yes I have "cleanable" tank. However, I clean my tank every week, the problem would be if I could refill the tank with the demineralized water(i don't know how safe it is, it is not for drink).
Thank you all for the good advices.

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Post by Sleeprider » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:38 am

Demineralized water is fine for CPAP. It's not recommended for drinking because, like distilled, it lacks the characteristic taste and feel for drinking water. As suggested earlier, tap water is fine, distilled and demineralized will avoid deposits that otherwise need rinsed and cleaned. Humidifier water should not be something you think about a lot...I hope.

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Post by archangle » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:38 am

Sleeprider wrote:Demineralized water is fine for CPAP. It's not recommended for drinking because, like distilled, it lacks the characteristic taste and feel for drinking water. As suggested earlier, tap water is fine, distilled and demineralized will avoid deposits that otherwise need rinsed and cleaned. Humidifier water should not be something you think about a lot...I hope.
Demineralization is often a chemical process. If it's not intended for drinking, there might be some chemicals left behind that you don't want to drink or inhale.

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Post by JDS74 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:51 am

Are you sure that your distiller is not repairable?
The distillation process is heating water to steam and then cooling the steam until it condenses.
Perhaps you just have a loose wire or blown fuse.

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Post by Sleeprider » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:05 am

There are several ways of processing demineralized water, with distillation being one of them. I'm not aware of flocculation and chemical separation being widely used, but am familiar with DI, RO and membrane filtration. The reason it's not used for drinking is that it's so corrosive, and actually can cause serious health effects source. Demineralized water dissolves any available minerals to reach a stable state, so that's not good for you to have to compete with your water for basic nutritional (mineral) needs. Based on taste, I doubt you'd want to drink it anyway.

Off topic: we have a swimming pool, and every year I have to increase the calcium hardness and alkalinity. We get enough rain here, that the mineral content gets depleted. That can be corrosive to pumps, heaters, concrete and plaster.

On-topic: Who cares? Use tap water.

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Re: Distilled water is just broke(help pls...)

Post by adin67 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:04 pm

Ok, let's see. I bought today the bottle on the right side in the picture. As you see the picture, on the bottle shows how the distilled water is obtained and which method was used(boiled method).I hope it does not corrode my lungs to night.

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Post by Sleeprider » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:14 pm

adin67 wrote:Ok, let's see. I bought today the bottle on the right side in the picture. As you see the picture, on the bottle shows how the distilled water is obtained and which method was used(boiled method).I hope it does not corrode my lungs to night.
Whether you start with distilled water or not, the vapor that is evaporated IS DISTILLED. Your lungs can't tell the difference. Sorry about the use of the term corrosive. Most folks don't think of water in that term, but it simply means its ability to dissolve or erode away a substance. In the case of very soft water, it's corrosive to certain water soluble minerals...we're not talking about mineral acid here.

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Re: Distilled water is just broke(help pls...)

Post by adin67 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:46 pm

Sleeprider wrote: .we're not talking about mineral acid here.
Of course not, lol...
If I fill the tank with whiskey, what would happen...
I joked of course...

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Post by Sleeprider » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:49 pm

adin67 wrote:
Sleeprider wrote: .we're not talking about mineral acid here.
Of course not, lol...
If I fill the tank with whiskey, what would happen...
I joked of course...

Well, you'd be accused of wasting fine whiskey of course.
You really shouldn't even joke about such travesty.

You know...you made me look, and it turns out there might actually be some merit to the idea. But use the cheap stuff.

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