New to Resmed. Airsense 10 water everywhere

[Jason2483]

ok, my F&P Icon auto had a power supply die after 3 years so insurance authorized early replacement. I got a new Resmed Airsense 10 Auto. My initial feelings were that it was light years ahead of the Icon, with the exception of a missing clock. I mean really...it wouldn't have been hard to add a fricken clock right? Well, I'm getting over a cold so I turned off the auto climate control because it was too dry. I turned the humidity setting up to 7 and those hose temp to 82 or so. (It is certainly the heated hose). I noticed when I fill the water tank that the max fill line is precariously close to the piping where it could suck up water.

I fell asleep and two hours later, I woke up to water blockage in the hose making the glubbing sound. I don't know if I yanked the hose in my sleep, jostling the machine enough to suck up water, or if that was all rainout. There was enough water to seal the house at the bottom of the curve (goes a bit below the machine from the side of the bed). At least 1/3 cup of water accumulation in 3 hrs. The hose was not warm to the touch like it should have been.

I drained the water and hooked the hose up to my hurricane dryer for 20 minutes and cleared it all out. I lowered the humidity to 6 and raised hose temp to max. 3 hrs later, I was again awakened to a tremendous amount of rainout and standing water in the hose....and the hose was still cold to the touch and not heating. The first night it certainly did heat those hose. This is something I never experienced with the F&P icon since the air flow goes through the water chamber last and the fill line is low enough to not be able to suck water.

Any ideas on what is going on here? Did it suck water and ruin it somehow or can rainout really be that significant? I suspect at the very least the hose is not heating properly. The machine is so quiet and I really want to love it...

[coolbranch]

Take unit to your DME to troubleshoot before you drown.

[Wulfman...]

ok, my F&P Icon auto had a power supply die after 3 years so insurance authorized early replacement. I got a new Resmed Airsense 10 Auto. My initial feelings were that it was light years ahead of the Icon, with the exception of a missing clock. I mean really...it wouldn't have been hard to add a fricken clock right? Well, I'm getting over a cold so I turned off the auto climate control because it was too dry. I turned the humidity setting up to 7 and those hose temp to 82 or so. (It is certainly the heated hose). I noticed when I fill the water tank that the max fill line is precariously close to the piping where it could suck up water.

I fell asleep and two hours later, I woke up to water blockage in the hose making the glubbing sound. I don't know if I yanked the hose in my sleep, jostling the machine enough to suck up water, or if that was all rainout. There was enough water to seal the house at the bottom of the curve (goes a bit below the machine from the side of the bed). At least 1/3 cup of water accumulation in 3 hrs. The hose was not warm to the touch like it should have been.

I drained the water and hooked the hose up to my hurricane dryer for 20 minutes and cleared it all out. I lowered the humidity to 6 and raised hose temp to max. 3 hrs later, I was again awakened to a tremendous amount of rainout and standing water in the hose....and the hose was still cold to the touch and not heating. The first night it certainly did heat those hose. This is something I never experienced with the F&P icon since the air flow goes through the water chamber last and the fill line is low enough to not be able to suck water.

Any ideas on what is going on here? Did it suck water and ruin it somehow or can rainout really be that significant? I suspect at the very least the hose is not heating properly. The machine is so quiet and I really want to love it...

It's simple chemistry (actually, I meant to say "Physics", but was having a brain blockage).
You're putting more humidity in the air (you're trying to breathe) than what it will carry when it cools down in the hose.
You need to turn your HH setting down or try to get the hose and/or your bedroom temperature higher.
Warm air will only carry so much humidity at a given temperature........when the air cools, it reverts back to liquid form.

Den

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[chunkyfrog]

My cpap shelf is a tad unleveled, so I tend to slightly under-fill the tank.
I also run my hose high up from the tank so that gravity will return water to the tank instead of accumulating in the hose.
Allowing the hose to drop low between the machine and you is the most common cause of this type of problem.
I highly recommend some sort of hose management.

[coolbranch]

Wulfman is on to the science and Chunkyfrog is on to the practical application as only an amphibian should know.

Anti-drown device shown here.

[TangledHose]

A couple of times I have had the machine fail to recognize the heated hose for no reason, in that case I disconect the heated hose then reconnect making sure I get a nice solid click and look at the screen to make sure that it gives you the message that climate line hose is attached.........it almost sounds like your heated hose is not working correctly, I have mine set at 7 and 82 and I use an entire tub of water in eight hours, never had any rainout. Also try not filling quite as much, the Airsense will easily push water into the hose if you even overfill just a little bit, it is sensitive to overfilling the tub.

[palerider]

lift the hose and let the excess water run back into the tank.

then turn down the humidity a bit.

[yaconsult]

Wulfman is on to the science and Chunkyfrog is on to the practical application as only an amphibian should know.

Anti-drown device shown here.

I use one of these and it works great - only cost $11.50 on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/North-American-He ... B0034CHMRU

[MeToo]

I, too, am a little disappointed with the Airsense 10 humidifier. I am a devoted Resmedite -- previously had the S9 and two other Resmed CPAPs before that. The A-10 humidifier is step down in my experience. I never had any noticeable water in my hose or mask with the S9, but I'm getting too much water in my mask with my the A-10. I have to be careful when I roll over and when I remove the mask in the morning it usually spills out (I cannot use the auto shut-off b/c it blows the water everywhere). The hose is dry..not sure what the cause of the problem is. Humidifier is set to Auto and hose is at 7.

Also, when I refill the humidifier at night, moisture in it rolls out onto my wood bedside table when I lift the top up. I now have to put it on the bed to refill (which isn't completely level) or move it to my bathroom counter.

I've had the problem with machine not recognizing the hose, but that is fix-able. I'm not sure what to do about these other issues. Otherwise the Airsense works fine. Thinking about giving Respironics a try.

[TangledHose]

MeToo,

I am curious about something in your post.....you say you have humidifier on "Auto" and hose on 7. With the Airsense you only have choice of running climate control on full Auto (both humidity and hose temp on auto) or Manual to allow independent control of hose temp and humidifier. It's not like the S9 where you could run humidity in Auto and still have manual control of hose temp, the Airsense is either full auto for both, or manual for both. Humidifier in manual goes from off, to 1 thru 8 for settings....8 being highest humidity. Hose temps in manual are temps like 80, 79, ecettera, so how can you say you have it in Auto and hose at 7...... Sounds like you don't understand how the system works. If it is the humidity that you have set to "7" , well then no wonder you're getting a lot of water as this is one setting below max. I believe in Auto the default humidity is around 3 or 4, so 7 is quite high if that's what you mean in your post.

[Lazer1234]

It's not like the S9 where you could run humidity in Auto and still have manual control of hose temp,

What do you mean here? I think it's the same on the S9. Either auto or manual both humidity and temperature hose.

[MeToo]

I have my A10 on Auto and the display shows hose setting at 7. On the S9, I had the humidifier set to 84 (I forget what the hose setting was) and didn't have a problem with water in the mask. I initially set the A-10 to a similar level, but after having the water in mask problem, I set to auto; unfortunately it didn't solve the problem.

[TangledHose]

It's not like the S9 where you could run humidity in Auto and still have manual control of hose temp,

What do you mean here? I think it's the same on the S9. Either auto or manual both humidity and temperature hose.

Lazer,

The two machines are different.........on the S9 you can run the humidity on Auto, yet still have manual control on the heated hose temp setting. They changed that on the Airsense machines, on the new machines you can only run climate control on full Auto (both the humidity and hose temp are set to Auto) you can no longer run humidity on Auto and then manually control the heated hose temp. In order to manually control temp on the ClimateLine Hose you must now run the climate control on "Manual" and then set humidity and hose temp independently ......completely different than the S9. Frankly I wish they hadn't made that change, they have dumbed down the system on the Airsense, it's a disappointment and I have no idea why they would have done that.

MeToo is confused between humidity settings and heated hose temp settings, as you can read from the manual page shown above on the Airsense 10 machines when you run the climate control in Auto mode the machine will maintain 85% relative humidity and 80 degrees Fahrenheit hose temperature.......it's all there in Black & White, I've been using the Airsense since October, and the S9 for several years before switching to the Airsense.

[TangledHose]

I have my A10 on Auto and the display shows hose setting at 7. On the S9, I had the humidifier set to 84 (I forget what the hose setting was) and didn't have a problem with water in the mask. I initially set the A-10 to a similar level, but after having the water in mask problem, I set to auto; unfortunately it didn't solve the problem.

"Hose setting at 7"

That makes absolutely no sense, heated hose settings as stated above from the manual excerpt are set in degrees Fahrenheit (U.S. Model) from 60 degrees to 86 degrees. Humidity setting choices are "Off" or setting level 1 through 8, eight being the maximum humidity setting. Like I said it's all in the manual in Black & White, no ambiguity.

On your S9 settings you refer to 84 for the humidity setting, again that is the heated hose setting temperature in degrees Fahrenheit, NOT you humidifier setting!

[Lazer1234]