SoClean 2 - CPAP Cleaner and Sanitizer

[sthnreb]

The air goes ONE WAY...It does NOT go back through the hose into the machine and humidifier. The germs are yours. If it makes you feel better by cleaning and disinfecting...go for it, but, I agree that it is not necessary.

Then in your opinion they are falsely advertising. According to their schematic, the mask goes into the CO2 producing machine which pumps air into the humidifier, up through the hose and into the mask which is in the oxygen chamber and cycles again, supposedly effectively cleaning all three. No, it does not go into the pap machine. Concerning the human anatomy, not all "germs' are favorable. As with the case of Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), my immune system attacks my blood cells destroying the platelets. Why does one part of ones body destroy another? Well, my doctor cannot answer that question. For the doubtful man that rides the pail, my doctor is considered one of the top 10 hematologist/cancer doctors in the nation. A weakened immune system leaves one open to all sorts of germs and possibilities, including death. I prefer to take whatever steps I can to improve my health, not hinder it. Now for those of you that think germs make no difference I can only say good luck.

[palerider]

However, you do not "clean" UV light, you replace it. A great display of ignorance.

"A separate problem that will affect UVGI is dust or other film coating the bulb, which can lower UV output. Therefore bulbs require annual replacement and scheduled cleaning to ensure effectiveness" --wikipedia

I guess you can argue with them about it...

(Not to sure he knows what a sanitary engineer is referring to.)

likely someone that cleans the sewers from the stuff that comes out of your mouth.

[chunkyfrog]

And those bulbs are outrageously expensive, which is probably why some people actually believe they work.

[LSAT]

The air goes ONE WAY...It does NOT go back through the hose into the machine and humidifier. The germs are yours. If it makes you feel better by cleaning and disinfecting...go for it, but, I agree that it is not necessary.

Then in your opinion they are falsely advertising. According to their schematic, the mask goes into the CO2 producing machine which pumps air into the humidifier, up through the hose and into the mask which is in the oxygen chamber and cycles again, supposedly effectively cleaning all three. No, it does not go into the pap machine. Concerning the human anatomy, not all "germs' are favorable. As with the case of Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), my immune system attacks my blood cells destroying the platelets. Why does one part of ones body destroy another? Well, my doctor cannot answer that question. For the doubtful man that rides the pail, my doctor is considered one of the top 10 hematologist/cancer doctors in the nation. A weakened immune system leaves one open to all sorts of germs and possibilities, including death. I prefer to take whatever steps I can to improve my health, not hinder it. Now for those of you that think germs make no difference I can only say good luck.

If you plan on using this product anyway...why did you ask us?

[sthnreb]

No, sorry. I guess with all your vast knowledge you still do not know the difference in a sewer cleaner and a garbage man. Research UV lighting and you will see that they lose effectiveness over a period of time by simply being on. The UV rays diminish and in the case of a whole house HVAC system they remain on constantly. (Unless wired into the blower motor which greatly reduces their effectiveness by being on and off.) In an off mode you can allow bacteria to grow on the coil, especially in the summer time. You can arguably blame it on dust or whatever you wish or whatever Utube tells you. You are the one that can argue with them, not me. Accordingly one should throw text books away and just log on to Utube. Many hospitals and clinics use UV light for cleaning and sanitizing now. It is quite effective and cost efficient. (Also, one should never touch the light bulb with their bare hand. Wear a glove or use tissues to handle it. The oils cause the bulb to deteriorate faster, same as with a halogen bulb.) School is out. I'm still trying to figure out how this has anything at all to do with the SoClean2? It doesn't use UV. I suppose it's just someone, you, wanting to be argumentative, name calling and downright ugly with people looking for honest answers. I have decided the SoClean 2 is not for me from the honest responses from others trying to help. Thanks to everyone for your help.

To LSAT, no I do not. If it hurts your fingers to respond, why do you? I said several times I did not plan to purchase one due to responses.

Chunkyfrog, yeah they can be. The ones I use are $14 each. Many LED's are twice that. I suppose it depends on what you call expensive. I have no problem with folks with no health issues but I assumed most on here did due to apnea and was concerned for themselves as well as others.

Can't respond to depressing, argumentative questions any more this evening. Going to dinner, all enjoy your evening.

BUMP

[Krelvin]

SoClean, in my opinion is false advertising. The created a solution where a problem doesn't exist, makes it sound like it its saving you from those big bad germs which are YOUR germs BTW, and gives the impression that if you use their product it will save you.

Makes lazy people think they can bypass proper cleaning of the only real part that should be cleaned on a regular basis.

The hose, the tank, the inside of the machine if used properly, can't get any more germs on them that what you breath all day long in your house and certainly significantly less than dealing with people in public.

If you look at the documentation that comes with the machine (cpap), you can find what the mfg recommends for multiple user usage, which I'm pretty sure you are not doing, and makes NO recommendations for more than wiping down the OUTSIDE of the machine and dealing with the mask.

[palerider]

I'm still trying to figure out how this has anything at all to do with the SoClean2? It doesn't use UV. I suppose it's just someone, ...

I was wondering that myself... some simpering moron brought it up earlier... let's see what knuckledragger did that... oh, yeah:

Thanks folks, I'll mark that off any list. I did not know it had been around a good while. UV is a great cleaner. I even have UV light to clean my tooth brush. Seems it would work on a mask too. However UV light in close contact destroys plastics and mask type products over a little time. The brush cleaner is small and mostly covers the bristles. The UV in the HVAC works constantly by keeping the A coil clean and the air passing through the plenum.

oh, THAT knuckledragger.

[chunkyfrog]

UV results in dead microbes, if there is enough of it.
IT DOES NOT CLEAN ANYTHING!
The dead microbes are still there, probably flowing into your lungs,
Where they will be happily eaten by the ones ALREADY INSIDE YOU!

[sthnreb]

Thanks Krelvin. That's a good deduction and answer. I had already decided against the cleaner several posts back, probably your first. There are however some folks here that would argue with a telephone pole trying to prove themselves right. At least they stick together and another member explained to me the reasoning. There are some people you just can't respond to and get decent responses. I've made a personal mistake for giving them the satisfaction of what they wanted. It seems they do it on almost every post, at least all the one's I looked at where they responded. Your remarks have always been precise and to the point and I do appreciate your help. Thanks again.

[Delta4]

I just saw this post. I bought the SoClean2 over a year ago. I love it and I'm glad I bought it. I'm asleep much more than I'm awake every day. And when I am awake, I have very little energy so I value devices that make my life easier and save time.

You can search for it on this forum and you'll find some posts about it.

[archangle]

The air goes ONE WAY...It does NOT go back through the hose into the machine and humidifier. The germs are yours. If it makes you feel better by cleaning and disinfecting...go for it, but, I agree that it is not necessary.

Then in your opinion they are falsely advertising. According to their schematic, the mask goes into the CO2 producing machine which pumps air into the humidifier, up through the hose and into the mask which is in the oxygen chamber and cycles again, supposedly effectively cleaning all three. No, it does not go into the pap machine. Concerning the human anatomy, not all "germs' are favorable. As with the case of Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), my immune system attacks my blood cells destroying the platelets. Why does one part of ones body destroy another? Well, my doctor cannot answer that question. For the doubtful man that rides the pail, my doctor is considered one of the top 10 hematologist/cancer doctors in the nation. A weakened immune system leaves one open to all sorts of germs and possibilities, including death. I prefer to take whatever steps I can to improve my health, not hinder it. Now for those of you that think germs make no difference I can only say good luck.

I thought he was talking about the airflow in the CPAP machine during normal usage, not the SoClean. i.e. when using the CPAP, the air blows from CPAP to the mask. When you exhale, the machine is blowing air from the blower unit to the mask, so your exhaled air won't go far up the hose before the pressure forces the air back to the mask and out through the exhaust vent on the mask.

The SoClean generates Ozone, (O3), not CO2.

It does connect to the humidifier, so it circulates air with ozone in a loop through the humidifier, hose, and mask.

[archangle]

I just saw this post. I bought the SoClean2 over a year ago. I love it and I'm glad I bought it. I'm asleep much more than I'm awake every day. And when I am awake, I have very little energy so I value devices that make my life easier and save time.

You can search for it on this forum and you'll find some posts about it.

Yeah, and a lot of the people who buy mystic energy crystal jewelery say they make them feel better, too.

Doesn't mean the SoClean doesn't work, but happy customers doesn't mean the effect is real, either.

Once again, DO clean your equipment even if you use SoClean. Even the SoClean people tell you to do that.

[psycmeistr]

The rudeness displayed on this thread in response to a simple question is quite palpable. What miserable existences you must have to wish to visit vitriol on a guy just looking for feedback. How miserable you must be to need to put down others in order to give yourself a fleeting feeling of power or relevancy.

In response to the OP, I use the So-Clean every night, and I wash my mask and tubing once a week. I notice a considerable difference in freshness. I know that UV-Ozone kills germs, which is better than germs continuing to colonize on your mask between cleanings. I find a certain amount of value in that, so yes, my PERSONAL opinion is that my So-Clean is well worth it- to the point where I have two--one for my home and one for my summer place.

[chunkyfrog]

This thread had no new posts for well over a year.
The rest of us were ready to "let it go", many months ago.
Now YOU, in your infinitesimal wisdom, have bumped it back up to the top.
Got another check from SoClean?
How much do they pay you for promoting their crap?
To reiterate:
SOCLEAN IS A SCAM.
The "simple question" to which you refer is advertising, and nothing else.

[Julie]

Let's be generous - can you say placebo effect?