What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by palerider » Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:46 pm

EMTunit31 wrote:I think I finally got it how it's supposed to be. Kinda hard getting all of it on the screen.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qvl00hoo477fj ... 2.png?dl=0
go ahead and drag the mask pressure graph down below the others that are showing, mask pressure and pressure pretty much show the same things, so it takes away space that could be used to show something else.

I think your pressures are too low to keep you from having way too many hypopneas.

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by cnaumann » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:25 pm

I am not a medical expert and I am jumping way ahead here, but if your breathing is too shallow, ASV may not be your best therapy option. ASV attempts to even out your breathing. It does not really attempt to get you to breathe deeper. Now that I can see your graphs in a little more detail, it does look like you have some crazy irregular breathing. ASV is probably worth a shot and it may be working quite well for you in spite of the AHI index. You do need to monitor your spO2 periodically especially if you were getting into the 60's during your sleep study. I am glad you ordered the pulse oximeter.

There are other types of ventilators available that will attempt to get you to take deeper breaths. These are called VPAPS (Volume-Assured. Pressure Support) machines. I am not suggesting you need one of these machines, but the road does not end with ASV. These VPAP machines are not better or worse than ASV, but they are different.

Anyway, I am very curious as to what your spO2 looks like. Please post some graphs when you get the data.

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by EMTunit31 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:35 pm

Can you educate me on what is acceptable on these charts. I look at them but they really don't tell me anything. Thank You.

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by EMTunit31 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:38 pm

cnaumann wrote:

Anyway, I am very curious as to what your spO2 looks like. Please post some graphs when you get the data.
I ordered the one that records and has PC software with it. I've been curious about this. So glad you suggested it.

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by cnaumann » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:06 pm

Now that you have the graphs and information about right, it would be helpful if you would zoom in and show some of the deaths of the individual breaths during the CA and Hypopnea events. This will give an idea of how long they are lasting.

The heavy black line above the flow rate chart shows where the machine's 'back up rate' kicked in. Those are individual ticks, but they are happening so often that they look like a continuous line. Basically, this is where the machine determined that you stopped breathing too long and initiated a breath of for you. 'Too long' can either be determined by the machine's algorithms based on your breathing pattern (auto mode) or can be manual set. There is nothing really wrong with having long times periods of machine-initiated breaths. It just means the machine is doing its job.

The flow rate shows the flow in and out of you lungs. When the line goes up, you are breathing in, when it goes down, you are breathing out. Air is always flowing in the hose leading up to your mask. There are vent holes in your mask that make sure the air in the hose is always fresh. The machine removes this constant flow (total leak rate) from the flow rate graph to show only the air moving in and out of your lungs. Your ASV machine attempts to keep the peak of this flow rate constant, and will increase inspiration pressure if a breath is shallower than average and decrease pressure if a breath is deeper than average. This helps to even out you breathing, but it assumes your 'average' provides acceptable ventilation.

You can look up normal ranges for all the breathing statistics.

As far as what is 'acceptable' in those charts, it varies a lot person to person. It boils down to a few parameters, none of which are directly measured by you machine. Those parameters are basically you blood O2 and CO2 levels and if you are getting enough restful sleep.

Your spO2 levels need to stay above 88%. Even breathing helps ensure that you spO2 levels stay in acceptable levels. Apneas lasting longer than 10 seconds can cause dips in your spO2 levels, that is one reason to treat sleep apnea. While your machine can measure apneas, it cannot measure spO2 levels.

The other reason to treat apnea is that they can disturb sleep. This is especially true of obstructive apneas where you need to wake up slightly to increase muscle tone in you throat to clear your airway. Central apneas and hypopneas can resolve themselves with you having to wake up. They are more difficult to treat (there is a lot of trial and error in the whole sleep apnea business, in case you have not noticed) but _may_ not be as harmful.

So check your spO2 levels, and worry more about how you are feeling than what those graphs look like.

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by EMTunit31 » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:23 am

I feel great. Didn't know waking up could feel like this.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b87ttkqkjbs6k ... 5.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7sap0yzj2j60t ... 1.png?dl=0

I should have SP02 readings tomorrow. The monitor is supposed to come today.

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by Uncle Flapp » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:38 pm

Still a little curious about the HYPs although they may continue to improve over time. Question for the group - the PS seems low to me (4-9). Mine is set 6-16 but my min EPAP is set much lower (6cm). Any thoughts?
It may be coincidence but I see a pattern in my data between low PTBs (<50%) and higher HYPs. Not sure if that means anything.

Most importantly, ENT, glad you are feeling better!

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by EMTunit31 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:23 pm

My sats for last night weren't below 85% which I think should be a bit higher but still not dipping down to 60%. I'll take it.
AHI - 9.39
Clear airway - 0.19
Obstructive 0.47
Hypopnea - 8.74 Still a little high but gradually dropping.
I am getting a sinus infection and was wondering if it could be caused by my mask being too tight and not allowing the proper drainage. The mask rides up at night and sets right under my eyes. It does that with or without Remzzzs. Any thoughts or suggestions?
I installed the SP02 software but Sleepyhead locks up when I try to import data.?????? I can read the results on the software that came with it.

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by palerider » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:51 pm

EMTunit31 wrote:The mask rides up at night and sets right under my eyes. It does that with or without Remzzzs. Any thoughts or suggestions?
I installed the SP02 software but Sleepyhead locks up when I try to import data.?????? I can read the results on the software that came with it.
my thought on the mask is that it's too tight on the top and not tight enough on the bottom.

as to sleepyhead, what oximeter did you get?

if it's the d+, e or old F, you select one option in SH, if it's the new F or H or I model, you select a different type.

you do have SH 0.9.8-1, right?

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by EMTunit31 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:32 pm

as to sleepyhead, what oximeter did you get?

if it's the d+, e or old F, you select one option in SH, if it's the new F or H or I model, you select a different type.

you do have SH 0.9.8-1, right?[/quote]


I got the CMS50D and according to Sleepyhead, it is compatible.
About my mask,I know its too tight. That's the only way I can keep it from leaking. I'm going to put new pillows in it tonight and see if I can loosen it. I had an appointment Monday for a mask fitting but had to cancel. I have a petite head and can't adjust it any smaller and I use the Xsmall mask. I am still a work in progress and I will get it right.

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Post by palerider » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:57 pm

EMTunit31 wrote:I got the CMS50D and according to Sleepyhead, it is compatible.
the D does not record data, and so can't upload anything to sleepyhead.

if it's the D+ then make sure you select that one with Sleepyhead.

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by EMTunit31 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:54 pm

if it's the D+ then make sure you select that one with Sleepyhead.[/quote]

You are exactly right. It is a D+ I will try it again and see if I can find a choice on selecting meters. I don't believe I had a choice last time. It just said communicating but never made it to upload because it locked up every time.

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Post by palerider » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:03 am

EMTunit31 wrote:if it's the D+ then make sure you select that one with Sleepyhead.
You are exactly right. It is a D+ I will try it again and see if I can find a choice on selecting meters. I don't believe I had a choice last time. It just said communicating but never made it to upload because it locked up every time. [/quote]

do you have the required driver installed? and, are you using the cable that came with it? and are you using 096 or 098-1 SH?

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Re: What is a good AHI with ASV? Revised

Post by EMTunit31 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:07 am

Found it PR. I must have been in too big of a hurry and missed it. It imported also without locking up. Thank You so much!

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Post by palerider » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:20 am

EMTunit31 wrote:Found it PR. I must have been in too big of a hurry and missed it. It imported also without locking up. Thank You so much!
awesome!

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