dissecting the elephant / tackling the aerophagia is next

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dissecting the elephant / tackling the aerophagia is next

Post by HopingForSuccess » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:04 pm

One wise person in this forum suggested I tackle my concerns in little parts. Thats been hard as I've wanted to solve Everything, Immediately. Understanding and tinkering with settings has been a big part of my steps toward success. I will continue on both things there. My current question is a common one. What is a good position to sleep in to reduce the dreaded aerophagia? I have seen a clip of a guy who showed keeping the chin tucked in, close to the chest. I have also read the complete opposite which stated that you should have a greater distance and open up the angle between chest and chin.
I realize what works for one person is not going to work for all, still I'm tossing this out there for opinions.

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Re: dissecting the elephant / tackling the aerophagia is next

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:36 pm

What is a good position to sleep in to reduce the dreaded aerophagia?
I guess this could differ from person to person, but for me aerophagia is nonexistent on my back, mild on my right side and moderate on my left side.

But first, how is the CPAP therapy working? Are you tracking it with one of the softwares? What are your results? What does your leak line look like? AHI? Pressure line? Do you have dry mouth? Do you have mask leak? What humidifier setting are you using?

When the therapy doesn't work well, some people will experience worse aerophagia.
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Re: dissecting the elephant / tackling the aerophagia is next

Post by sawinglogz » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:22 pm

The big differentiator for me is tackling the LPR.

When my reflux is under control, I have far less aerophagia. When it's not, not.

The big things for me were avoiding food or drink for 3 hours before bed, and avoiding my 5000-IU vitamin D supplements.

(Sadly, no supplements at all left me D deficient, and when I tried half as many 5000-IU supplements, the reflux came raging back, so now I'm experimenting with 1000-IU.)


Digression for those on bi-level (not the OP):

I also experimented with lowering the timing of my ASV's backup breathing, but after an initial improvement, it doesn't seem to help, at least not by itself. My theory was that when it bumped up the pressure when I wasn't ready to breathe, it was pushing more air down my esophagus. "Auto" wanted to keep my breathing steadier than I needed (breathing naturally slows down when I wake up, or after a particularly vivid dream in which breathing was faster), and indeed my percentage of patient-triggered breaths did increase, still with 0 centrals. But I still woke up one night feeling pretty full of air, and the next night very refluxy.

It may in fact be that the more regimented breathing due to "auto" keeps my airway from relaxing quite as much, so it could (counterintuitively) be slightly better for aerophagia. Or it may be that the reduced rate would help if my LPR weren't flaring up. I'll review my data this weekend to get a better picture.

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Re: dissecting the elephant / tackling the aerophagia is next

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:31 pm

sawinglogz wrote: when I tried half as many 5000-IU supplements, the reflux came raging back, so now I'm experimenting with 1000-IU.)

What time of day do you take it?
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Re: dissecting the elephant / tackling the aerophagia is next

Post by Sir NoddinOff » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:56 pm

HopingForSuccess wrote:What is a good position to sleep in to reduce the dreaded aerophagia? I have seen a clip of a guy who showed keeping the chin tucked in, close to the chest. I have also read the complete opposite which stated that you should have a greater distance and open up the angle between chest and chin.
I'm not sure there's a consensus on that topic. Some people like their chin-tucked-in approach and at the other end of the spectrum some folks resort to cervical collars to keep the chin up. The vast majority I suspect tend to fall in the middle somewhere. I've just learned to live with my mild areophagia and take a few Tums if it gets too annoying... IOW, it rarely wakes me up.

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Re: dissecting the elephant / tackling the aerophagia is next

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:02 pm

When I had the problem, lying on my left side stopped it.
The theory is that our internal plumbing is arranged so it is better in that position.
I never paid attention to my chin, just figured it would do whatever it liked once I fell asleep.
Of course, it is just a theory--worked for me, but I'm a little different.

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Re: dissecting the elephant / tackling the aerophagia is next

Post by photonic » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:26 pm

I suggest adopting different sleeping positions and keeping a journal to see what works best. Be a good scientist and tell us what worked best for you.
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