Philips Respironics System One RemStar Auto A-Flex 560

myjoy2go · Post by **myjoy2go** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:42 am

I would like to know is there a way to purge the database from the System One RemStar Auto with A-Flex (560P)?
I had a new System One RemStar Pro with C-Flex+ (460P) which was switched out when I went on Medicare. I didn't know it was as smart as I thought and it was doing the job of an APap.
I had the supply company get me a APap after the trial was done on my C-Flex. They traded me out a used System One RemStar Auto with A-Flex (560P) one and it has data on it from 3/17/2014-6/13/2014 that is not all mine. I just started using it last night 6/16/2014. So it has messed up my data in Sleepyhead.
So disgusted with the supply company since it was also traded out last week and that one went from 1/15/2014-4/27/2014 data but a smoker had used it last. The stale cigarette smoke about killed me! So I took it back! I used it from 6/10/2014-6/15/2014
I had good data from 9/30/2014-6/11/2014 till I went traded out the C-Flex+460 for the A-Flex 560, now its all messed up. I hope I have made some sense!
So is there a way that the data from the machine can be purged? Not the card although I may have to purge the card too!

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:59 am

Yes, there is a way to purge the old data from the machine.
You have to go to the clinical setup menu and under the Info box (where AHI is shown onscreen) is a function that says "reset data" and it erases all prior usage and resets therapy hours to zero.
How to get to clinical menu
http://www.apneaboard.com/pr-system-one ... structions
this is what you do when you get there

You can also selectively remove the older data from the SD card. Just go into the card and look for the folder which is the P serial number to your machine folder and go in it to the P0 folder and manually delete the older files. They are dated so easy to spot.

I think you can do the same thing in the SleepyHead data folder in MyDocuments...manually remove the unwanted files.

myjoy2go · Post by **myjoy2go** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:10 am

Pugsy wrote:Yes, there is a way to purge the old data from the machine.
You have to go to the clinical setup menu and under the Info box (where AHI is shown onscreen) is a function that says "reset data" and it erases all prior usage and resets therapy hours to zero.
How to get to clinical menu
http://www.apneaboard.com/pr-system-one ... structions
this is what you do when you get there

You can also selectively remove the older data from the SD card. Just go into the card and look for the folder which is the P serial number to your machine folder and go in it to the P0 folder and manually delete the older files. They are dated so easy to spot.
I think you can do the same thing in the SleepyHead data folder in MyDocuments...manually remove the unwanted files.

Pugsy... All I can say is you ROCK! I am on my way to my machine and clearing the data out! I knew there had to be away. I am still on a learning curve at 65 and still alive!
Why couldn't the respiratory genius' do this at the supply place?
Thank you so much!!!

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:39 am

myjoy2go wrote:Why couldn't the respiratory genius' do this at the supply place?

It's possible the "genius" didn't know how or maybe just forgot. Normally this step would/should be done when a machine is returned as part of the "checking it out" thing that I would assume someone would do with a returned machine. It's also possible that they didn't do a thing to the machine when it came back. Like the smoker machine....there is a way to reduce smoker odor but they didn't bother to check to see if there even was an odor.
Depending on just how bad the odor and how many hours involved would affect ability to reduce the odor. It should have been labelled "smoker". Some people don't care but nowadays a lot of people do care so they should have been sensitive to that possibility.

Getting that old data out of SleepyHead will be a bit of work but I think it can be done.

All files are dated the next day....as the modified date. Example..last night's data files will have a 6/17 modified date and not a 6/16 date. This is because the final modification gets done when you turn off the machine and the final writing to the SD card gets done.
SleepyHead stores those same files that are on the SD card in a special folder in MyDocuments. They will have to be removed to clean up SleepyHead report even if you remove them from the machine and the SD card because they have already been downloaded.

Marbil146 · Post by **Marbil146** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:12 am

I don't want to hijack this thread but I have similar problem with the same type machine......for the first time yesterday I gave my SD card to the DME to update my data in her Respironics program.........her programme wiped the card clean and unknowing to me when I got home I placed it into my sleepyhead 9.3 programme to download the last two days and of course they didn't show,so reinstalled the card into the 560 to retreave the data,then back to sleepyhead where it corrupted the program.

Everything previous to the last two days is ok in the daily flow charts,but the overall chart for Ahi and Flow rate is corrupted,only showing the two days with a rediculously high AHI and flow chart,all the others are ok.
Last nights data went into the programme ok as usual but now all my long term averages are screwed up because the two missing days came up with like 950 AHI's for just one day.
Any suggestions and sorry for hijacking,but it was a similar problem.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:38 am

Marbil146 wrote:her programme wiped the card clean and unknowing to me when I got home I placed it into my sleepyhead 9.3 programme to download the last two days and of course they didn't show,so reinstalled the card into the 560 to retreave the data,then back to sleepyhead where it corrupted the program.

Everything previous to the last two days is ok in the daily flow charts,but the overall chart for Ahi and Flow rate is corrupted,only showing the two days with a rediculously high AHI and flow chart,all the others are ok.
Last nights data went into the programme ok as usual but now all my long term averages are screwed up because the two missing days came up with like 950 AHI's for just one day.
Any suggestions and sorry for hijacking,but it was a similar problem.

I don't know why SleepyHead works fine and then all of the sudden goes whacko with that elevated AHI thing for the 60 series machines.
You may be able to fix the overall charts by turning off the affected sessions. Do you know about how to turn off the sessions? For some people that works but then you have 0 data for that night...and for some people it still didn't fix the overall charts.
You are using 0.9.3 SleepyHead...I assume the Windows version.
You might try this version..it's a testing version so no installer built in just yet. That means you have to open SleepyHead using the application.exe file in the main folder but you can make a shortcut to it to your taskbar if you like so you don't have to open SH folder each time.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/978 ... OpenGL.zip SleepyHead 0.9.6 testing
You can use it along side of the older version. Won't hurt a thing. It thinks it is a totally separate program because it is a totally separate program. Since the SD card was erased...you won't have flow rate data on those old nights but maybe the overall AHI charts will be corrected.

myjoy2go · Post by **myjoy2go** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:05 am

Pugsy wrote:
Marbil146 wrote:her programme wiped the card clean and unknowing to me when I got home I placed it into my sleepyhead 9.3 programme to download the last two days and of course they didn't show,so reinstalled the card into the 560 to retreave the data,then back to sleepyhead where it corrupted the program.
Everything previous to the last two days is ok in the daily flow charts,but the overall chart for Ahi and Flow rate is corrupted,only showing the two days with a rediculously high AHI and flow chart,all the others are ok.
Last nights data went into the programme ok as usual but now all my long term averages are screwed up because the two missing days came up with like 950 AHI's for just one day.
Any suggestions and sorry for hijacking,but it was a similar problem.
respronics
I don't know why SleepyHead works fine and then all of the sudden goes whacko with that elevated AHI thing for the 60 series machines.
You may be able to fix the overall charts by turning off the affected sessions. Do you know about how to turn off the sessions? For some people that works but then you have 0 data for that night...and for some people it still didn't fix the overall charts.
You are using 0.9.3 SleepyHead...I assume the Windows version.
You might try this version..it's a testing version so no installer built in just yet. That means you have to open SleepyHead using the application.exe file in the main folder but you can make a shortcut to it to your taskbar if you like so you don't have to open SH folder each time.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/978 ... OpenGL.zip SleepyHead 0.9.6 testing
You can use it along side of the older version. Won't hurt a thing. It thinks it is a totally separate program because it is a totally separate program. Since the SD card was erased...you won't have flow rate data on those old nights but maybe the overall AHI charts will be corrected.

Well 1st off I one thing I do and did before switching out my machines or taking my SD card to the supply center was make a backup copy of my SD card, that made it easy to restore my information on my Responics SD Card.
2nd. Pugys: I followed your directions and cleaned housed... data off the machine. I have the info from last night in Sleepyhead... smart software.
3rd. To answer the above post I do find Sleepyhead has a brain of its own but I really thinks its us well maybe. I save my SD Cards on my computer for later usage. Especially since my husband's Resmed Elite... his system purges every 30 days. I take his card and store the data on my computer. When getting the data from the computer is takes a couple of times for Sleepyhead to open it.
4th. I love the Sleepyhead software.... and so does my Sleep Doctor that's where she found out I stay in REM sleep too long and had my CPap changed to AFlex.
Thanks so much for your help!

Marbil146 · Post by **Marbil146** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:32 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Marbil146 wrote:her programme wiped the card clean and unknowing to me when I got home I placed it into my sleepyhead 9.3 programme to download the last two days and of course they didn't show,so reinstalled the card into the 560 to retreave the data,then back to sleepyhead where it corrupted the program.

Everything previous to the last two days is ok in the daily flow charts,but the overall chart for Ahi and Flow rate is corrupted,only showing the two days with a rediculously high AHI and flow chart,all the others are ok.
Last nights data went into the programme ok as usual but now all my long term averages are screwed up because the two missing days came up with like 950 AHI's for just one day.
Any suggestions and sorry for hijacking,but it was a similar problem.
I don't know why SleepyHead works fine and then all of the sudden goes whacko with that elevated AHI thing for the 60 series machines.
You may be able to fix the overall charts by turning off the affected sessions. Do you know about how to turn off the sessions? For some people that works but then you have 0 data for that night...and for some people it still didn't fix the overall charts.
You are using 0.9.3 SleepyHead...I assume the Windows version.
You might try this version..it's a testing version so no installer built in just yet. That means you have to open SleepyHead using the application.exe file in the main folder but you can make a shortcut to it to your taskbar if you like so you don't have to open SH folder each time.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/978 ... OpenGL.zip SleepyHead 0.9.6 testing
You can use it along side of the older version. Won't hurt a thing. It thinks it is a totally separate program because it is a totally separate program. Since the SD card was erased...you won't have flow rate data on those old nights but maybe the overall AHI charts will be corrected.

Thanks Pugsy for the heads up on the (testing 0.9.6 program) I've got it running alongside the original. At least with the old I've retained my flow charts since that's what i look at most of the time.
I'm wondering why the machine doesn't retain the flow charts?......Actually I had the program on two different laptops,so before receiving your info,I took the first laptop and deleted the program,then reformatted a camera card,put it into the 560 to load then installed a new Sleepyhead 9.3 ( I made a copy originally) then downloaded the card and everything came back except like the test version,only brought back the past 2 weeks. I've been using it since April 8.
So now I have a "dogs breakfast" between my Vista and my Windows 7 machines.Between the three programs on the two machines I have retained everything in sort of a fashion. More to play with.
Thanks again for the input,I love this forum.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:42 pm

Marbil146 wrote:I'm wondering why the machine doesn't retain the flow charts?

I suspect it is because of the size of file space needed for the flow rate/wave form data. That particular file on the SD card is the xxx.005 file and it's huge compared to the other files. They probably are working with a limited internal memory storage capacity on the PR S1 itself and those files would cause things to get full real fast. Something had to go so the biggest file was the first to get omitted. It's not something that normally gets closely evaluated by DMEs or doctors anyway.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:47 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Marbil146 wrote:I'm wondering why the machine doesn't retain the flow charts?
I suspect it is because of the size of file space needed for the flow rate/wave form data. That particular file on the SD card is the xxx.005 file and it's huge compared to the other files. They probably are working with a limited internal memory storage capacity on the PR S1 itself and those files would cause things to get full real fast. Something had to go so the biggest file was the first to get omitted. It's not something that normally gets closely evaluated by DMEs or doctors anyway.

both the PR and resmed machines write the detailed (flow) data directly to the card... memory when they designed those machines several years ago was a lot more expensive than it is now

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:57 pm

palerider wrote: both the PR and resmed machines write the detailed (flow) data directly to the card... memory when they designed those machines several years ago was a lot more expensive than it is now

Yes and I remember when the Respironics machines had to have a smart card inserted or you got summary basic data only and then only for 7 days before the oldest was overwritten and the Resmed S8 machine stored a lot on the internal memory and people didn't have to keep the smart card in the machine all night to get all the data that was available. Now it is reversed. ResMed S9 machines have to have the SD card in all night to have more than the basic summary data and the PR S1 machines have it all but the flow rate stored so all is not lost if the SD card is left in the computer.

I don't know why Resmed did such an about face with the S9 but it is nice that at least Respironics stores the bulk of the data on the machine for quite some time so all is not lost if the SD card is in the computer instead of the machine.
One would think if memory is cheaper now...why the about face with ResMed in terms of internal storage?

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:22 pm

Pugsy wrote: I don't know why Resmed did such an about face with the S9 but it is nice that at least Respironics stores the bulk of the data on the machine for quite some time so all is not lost if the SD card is in the computer instead of the machine.
One would think if memory is cheaper now...why the about face with ResMed in terms of internal storage?

well, there's not a lot of wasted room on the circuit board in the S9 machines... plus, the boards were designed back in 2010, and they haven't changed anything yet.

they could probably pause in raking in the $$ and update it with more modern computer tech, and get a lot more in there...

otoh, what's there works, and I'd rather have something with some track record behind it handling my breathing, I'd hate to have my cpap blue screening several times a night...

"you have moved your head, press any button to reboot".

myjoy2go · Post by **myjoy2go** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:25 pm

Pugsy wrote:
myjoy2go wrote:Why couldn't the respiratory genius' do this at the supply place?
Depending on just how bad the odor and how many hours involved would affect ability to reduce the odor. It should have been labelled "smoker".
Some people don't care but nowadays a lot of people do care so they should have been sensitive to that possibility.
The Respiratory dude told me he normally throws them away... sure he does.... he just found a person that has allergies to cigarette smoke.

Getting that old data out of SleepyHead will be a bit of work but I think it can be done.
I got it done by using my saved SD card! Thank God I did the have a brain! Everything is back to normal plus I had setup another profile before so I used my old one in Sleepyhead. Thank you for the Tip to reset my machine.

All files are dated the next day....as the modified date. Example..last night's data files will have a 6/17 modified date and not a 6/16 date. This is because the final modification gets done when you turn off the machine and the final writing to the SD card gets done.
SleepyHead stores those same files that are on the SD card in a special folder in MyDocuments. They will have to be removed to clean up SleepyHead report even if you remove them from the machine and the SD card because they have already been downloaded.

I will check this out just a little confused but I will find the files. Ok I found them... this is awesome!

One question: When the Respiratory Tech does a Blowout to test the machine it remembers it in the Respironics systems' computer. Sleepyhead sees this as an AHI very High reading and throws off the readings. Can you delete that day out of Sleepyhead?

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:35 pm

myjoy2go wrote: One question: When the Respiratory Tech does a Blowout to test the machine it remembers it in the Respironics systems' computer. Sleepyhead sees this as an AHI very High reading and throws off the readings. Can you delete that day out of Sleepyhead?[/b]

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select the date you want to get rid of, then go to data, advanced, delete current day.

Marbil146 · Post by **Marbil146** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:56 am

palerider wrote:
myjoy2go wrote: One question: When the Respiratory Tech does a Blowout to test the machine it remembers it in the Respironics systems' computer. Sleepyhead sees this as an AHI very High reading and throws off the readings. Can you delete that day out of Sleepyhead?[/b]

select the date you want to get rid of, then go to data, advanced, delete current day.[/quote]

I tried that but unfortunately all it did was shut down the Sleepyhead.....when I selected the day that has over 900 AHI's,the main screen shows the rotating cube with no data even though the overall graph shows it.
Frustrating,I could just ignore those two days but it sure screws up the overall average.

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