anybody know anything about diabetes?

[Janknitz]

Doctors like McDougall claim to "cure" diabetes with a strict no fat vegan diet. And some people do have dramatic improvement in the short term. So if your friend wants to go that route then at least it might help. Vegan and especially no fat is the polar opposite if what I think is good for long term health, but some people certainly do better than taking all those meds and getting progressively worse.

If she'd rather eat carrot sticks and broccoli raw and plain instead of swimming in delicious pastured butter then go for it. Just make sure she's got a doctor paying attention to her vitamin b12 levels and a good dental insurance plan. http://rawfoodsos.com/for-vegans/.

[SpectreWriter]

1) The specs are not accurate. We don't need any where near that much food. Remember they specs are coming from the same people who told us that meat is essential to our diet. That's the problem was baselines. it depends on what condition the person was in when they were set. May as well be specs for a raccoon.
2) There are several vegan and vegetarian Olympic athletes, some medal winners, and many other vegan athletes. Use THAT as your aspiration.
3) Some of you demonstrate your ignorance. Hormones and the rest are entirely relevant. Our bodies are a comprehensive system and affected by every bit of that. Testosterone, thyroid, those are hormones and they directly affect diabetes.

My supposed vitriol way you immediately mounted an assault, sending to justify the Suffering and premature death caused as Necessary. You don't even take that into consideration. That's how brainwashed you are. you don't even really think about but you are gnawing on another living thinking feeling beings' body... nor do you really care. if you did it in Ignorance, that would be different, but you continue on your merry way KNOWINGLY, yet without compassion or regard for the consequences others pay for your indifference and willful ignorance. the diseases and disorders you get from that are indeed just desserts, although the animals you kill would not impose such suffering upon you.

With a Cornell bio-med education, I am far from ignorant. Try watching Forks Over knives. Educate yourselves from a differing perspective. Then get back with me.
Excuse the typos, I'm replying from a cell phone.

[SleepWrangler]

With a Cornell bio-med education, I am far from ignorant. Try watching Forks Over knives. Educate yourselves from a differing perspective. Then get back with me. Excuse the typos, I'm replying from a cell phone.

Hi Troll. Not clicking your web-site to get served my dose of malware.

[old dude]

1) The specs are not accurate. We don't need any where near that much food. Remember they specs are coming from the same people who told us that meat is essential to our diet. That's the problem was baselines. it depends on what condition the person was in when they were set. May as well be specs for a raccoon.
2) There are several vegan and vegetarian Olympic athletes, some medal winners, and many other vegan athletes. Use THAT as your aspiration.
3) Some of you demonstrate your ignorance. Hormones and the rest are entirely relevant. Our bodies are a comprehensive system and affected by every bit of that. Testosterone, thyroid, those are hormones and they directly affect diabetes.

My supposed vitriol way you immediately mounted an assault, sending to justify the Suffering and premature death caused as Necessary. You don't even take that into consideration. That's how brainwashed you are. you don't even really think about but you are gnawing on another living thinking feeling beings' body... nor do you really care. if you did it in Ignorance, that would be different, but you continue on your merry way KNOWINGLY, yet without compassion or regard for the consequences others pay for your indifference and willful ignorance. the diseases and disorders you get from that are indeed just desserts, although the animals you kill would not impose such suffering upon you.

With a Cornell bio-med education, I am far from ignorant. Try watching Forks Over knives. Educate yourselves from a differing perspective. Then get back with me.
Excuse the typos, I'm replying from a cell phone.

Hmmmm.

This explains a lot. I'm guessing this must be why my bologna and cheese roll-up squealed a little when I bit into it at lunch today...

[BlackSpinner]

1) The specs are not accurate. We don't need any where near that much food. Remember they specs are coming from the same people who told us that meat is essential to our diet. That's the problem was baselines. it depends on what condition the person was in when they were set. May as well be specs for a raccoon.

Humans need met to get B12 - no B12 and no IQ - many studies have been done on that

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12011576
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10966896

2) There are several vegan and vegetarian Olympic athletes, some medal winners, and many other vegan athletes. Use THAT as your aspiration.

I would rather have brains that functioned.

3) Some of you demonstrate your ignorance. Hormones and the rest are entirely relevant. Our bodies are a comprehensive system and affected by every bit of that. Testosterone, thyroid, those are hormones and they directly affect diabetes.

They are relevant in that they indicate a contaminated source of food. That does not men the uncontaminated food is bad.

My supposed vitriol way you immediately mounted an assault, sending to justify the Suffering and premature death caused as Necessary. You don't even take that into consideration. That's how brainwashed you are. you don't even really think about but you are gnawing on another living thinking feeling beings' body... nor do you really care. if you did it in Ignorance, that would be different, but you continue on your merry way KNOWINGLY, yet without compassion or regard for the consequences others pay for your indifference and willful ignorance. the diseases and disorders you get from that are indeed just desserts, although the animals you kill would not impose such suffering upon you.

This is hogwash.

With a Cornell bio-med education, I am far from ignorant. Try watching Forks Over knives. Educate yourselves from a differing perspective. Then get back with me.
Excuse the typos, I'm replying from a cell phone.

It must be a old one then- I suggest you get an open mind and read more up to date research. If you post this in ignorance you could be forgiven but for one who boasts about his education and provides this kind of old misleading trash - that is down right evil.

[SpectreWriter]

Troll? Right, you moronic asshole, you caught me. I joined this group a few months ago so that I could spam you with my website. Even figured out CPAP machine and mask to put down, so it would be more convincing. What an idiot! They shouldn't let so small bring out by itself. You should talk with your sleep Doc. you've been oxygen deprived for far too long. I will ignore the libel this one time. Don't let it happen again.

Meanwhile, back on the subject, you offered no refutation whatsoever. GIve the keyboard back to an adult now.

Sleepwrangler scribbled:

With a Cornell bio-med education, I am far from ignorant. Try watching Forks Over knives. Educate yourselves from a differing perspective. Then get back with me. Excuse the typos, I'm replying from a cell phone.

Hi Troll. Not clicking your web-site to get served my dose of malware.

[SpectreWriter]

1) The specs are not accurate. We don't need any where near that much food. Remember they specs are coming from the same people who told us that meat is essential to our diet. That's the problem was baselines. it depends on what condition the person was in when they were set. May as well be specs for a raccoon.

Humans need met to get B12 - no B12 and no IQ - many studies have been done on that

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12011576
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10966896

No argument there, but YOUR info is outdated. B12, it turns out, is the product of a bacteria, and does not need to be gotten from an animal's body.

2) There are several vegan and vegetarian Olympic athletes, some medal winners, and many other vegan athletes. Use THAT as your aspiration.

I would rather have brains that functioned.

I'm sure you would, but so far, you've demonstrated neither. To insult those athletes with your baseless assumptions... well, let's just say I'm noticing a trend in your illogic.

3) Some of you demonstrate your ignorance. Hormones and the rest are entirely relevant. Our bodies are a comprehensive system and affected by every bit of that. Testosterone, thyroid, those are hormones and they directly affect diabetes.

They are relevant in that they indicate a contaminated source of food. That does not men the uncontaminated food is bad.

First off, it means uncontaminated "food" is rare at best. But you didn't respond to the REALITY, which is that most everyone in the Western world is drinking milk and eating flesh that has such hormones, pesticides, etc., and THAT fact remains entirely relevant. Moreover, just because we managed to get by with it does not mean that it's not unhealthy. Incidents of disease are unheard of in previous times. The plethora of maladies is astounding, from gall bladders on. These are a result of the current indulgences. We buy everything in packages, and consume in excess.
Understand that sugar, for one example, was not ingested by most humans until fairly recently. We used fruit, molasses and honey for sweeteners. Bread was not a daily food, because milling wheat was very labor-intensive. Contrary to claims, we were not primarily "hunter-gatherers." Meat was either carrion or relatively rare, as is evidenced by the fact that the arrows were seldom straight, bows and spears crude, etc., and by the simple truth that MOST Africans ate plants. When you're ready for some more truth, let me know.


My supposed vitriol way you immediately mounted an assault, sending to justify the Suffering and premature death caused as Necessary. You don't even take that into consideration. That's how brainwashed you are. you don't even really think about but you are gnawing on another living thinking feeling beings' body... nor do you really care. if you did it in Ignorance, that would be different, but you continue on your merry way KNOWINGLY, yet without compassion or regard for the consequences others pay for your indifference and willful ignorance. the diseases and disorders you get from that are indeed just desserts, although the animals you kill would not impose such suffering upon you.

This is hogwash.
You claiming it as "hogwash" doesn't make it so OR provide one shred of refutation. Again, noticing a trend.

With a Cornell bio-med education, I am far from ignorant. Try watching Forks Over knives. Educate yourselves from a differing perspective. Then get back with me.
Excuse the typos, I'm replying from a cell phone.

It must be a old one then- I suggest you get an open mind and read more up to date research. If you post this in ignorance you could be forgiven but for one who boasts about his education and provides this kind of old misleading trash - that is down right evil.

Actually, the phone and the info are cutting edge. You're the one still buying into the misbegotten notion that we need animals for ANYTHING, including B12. I don't boast, I qualify. What qualifications have you offered? The trend points towards a distinct lack of valid,quality scientific training.

And THIS is why I find this discussion so tedious. Few, if any, of you are qualified to engage in this discussion. Instead, you're spouting regurgitated snippets, while ignoring the FACTS entirely. FACT: MILLIONS of people are living proof that being vegan or vegetarian is not unhealthy. Rather, we're living longer, and with far less diseases. Do your homework, but do so with the courage to make changes when you grasp the reality. Or just keep on regurgitating the same misinformation like a good little sheeple, so you don't have to take a good HONEST look at the horrors done so you can have a certain taste in your mouth.

Is that harsh? Well, the reality is, but me, I'm just calling it what it is.

Are you folks just afraid to watch Forks Over Knives, Earthlings, etc.? Afraid that once you learn the truth you'll feel obligated to do things differently? Are you willing to kill and die over having a certain flavor sensation for a few moments a day? Really?

I don't suffer at all by not eating meat. My meals are delicious. Don't presume we sit around gnawing on carrot sticks and eating lettuce. What do we eat? EVERYTHING ELSE, and most of it is very tasty. What do I give up? Heart disease, congested arteries, obesity, gall stones... and a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering.

I'm done with this discussion. If you're unwilling to see, I can't cure that cause of blindness. Do your own homework. You'll find out what's better for you. Then summon up the courage to do the RIGHT thing. I'm out.

[SpectreWriter]

Doctors like McDougall claim to "cure" diabetes with a strict no fat vegan diet. And some people do have dramatic improvement in the short term. So if your friend wants to go that route then at least it might help. Vegan and especially no fat is the polar opposite if what I think is good for long term health, but some people certainly do better than taking all those meds and getting progressively worse.

If she'd rather eat carrot sticks and broccoli raw and plain instead of swimming in delicious pastured butter then go for it. Just make sure she's got a doctor paying attention to her vitamin b12 levels and a good dental insurance plan. http://rawfoodsos.com/for-vegans/.

I am opposed to such snake-oil claims overall. But I know of one man, a great example, who was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes, put on Metformin, etc. and his body DID recover when he cut back some on the snacks and soda. He's still far from a model of health, but the point is that there may be some successes. That's not because it cures diabetes, but because the cause of the CONDITION (not necessarily the disease) was not a liver/pancreas issue. Several things can cause high blood glucose, but far too often a MD will jump on the diagnosis of T2.

MY point is that eating vegan is a HUGE step in the right direction towards overall health. That's not just my anecdotal experience. MILLIONS of people all over the planet eat no meat, and a portion of those eat no dairy or eggs as well.

With obesity and heart disease (among maladies) so prevalent in this country, it's abundantly clear that American Cuisine is not good for us.

[BlackSpinner]

MY point is that eating vegan is a HUGE step in the right direction towards overall health. That's not just my anecdotal experience. MILLIONS of people all over the planet eat no meat, and a portion of those eat no dairy or eggs as well.

With obesity and heart disease (among maladies) so prevalent in this country, it's abundantly clear that American Cuisine is not good for us.

There are many points between American Cuisine and vegan. Most vegans are not healthy and most global vegetarians eat dairy and eggs and are in underdeveloped countries where a more healthy diet for humans is not available.
Your vitriolic screaming is not doing your side any good - most people will tune you out as another PETA shill ready to destroy everything in their mindless (due to B12 shortage) fight for so called animal rescue.

[BlackSpinner]

First off, it means uncontaminated "food" is rare at best. But you didn't respond to the REALITY, which is that most everyone in the Western world is drinking milk and eating flesh that has such hormones, pesticides, etc., and THAT fact remains entirely relevant. .... Contrary to claims, we were not primarily "hunter-gatherers." Meat was either carrion or relatively rare, as is evidenced by the fact that the arrows were seldom straight, bows and spears crude, etc., and by the simple truth that MOST Africans ate plants. When you're ready for some more truth, let me know.

There is plenty of evidence of humans as really good hunters. If you can't find it I suggest you start reading here

ETA: I don't have to worry about hormones in my meat or dairy - that is illegal here.

Actually, the phone and the info are cutting edge. You're the one still buying into the misbegotten notion that we need animals for ANYTHING, including B12. I don't boast, I qualify. What qualifications have you offered? The trend points towards a distinct lack of valid,quality scientific training.

I was not referring to your phone.

And THIS is why I find this discussion so tedious. Few, if any, of you are qualified to engage in this discussion.

Neither are you from the mistakes you have already made. WE have done our homework, you haven't.

[9forus]

Your vitriolic screaming is not doing your side any good - most people will tune you out as another PETA shill ready to destroy everything in their mindless (due to B12 shortage) fight for so called animal rescue.

I love PETA....hubby even has a hat...
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals!

[SleepWrangler]

I will ignore the libel this one time. Don't let it happen again.

I just can't take this stream of consciousness as anything but trolling. It certainly isn't convincing me of anything related to proper diabetes management. In my opinion it's like you read some information somewhere and then had a breakdown in thinking and are now also suffering from poor emotional responses. It's like the text version of schizophrenia. I assume a troll got hold of your account credentials and decided to have a bit of schizophrenic fun but if not then something else is wrong.