Why do we need a CPAP?

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Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by mtnguyen » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:12 pm

if the whole purpose of the CPAP is to blow air into our nose then why do we need to spend 1000 dollars when we can use a fan to blow air into our nose, and for the humidifier part, we can use humidifier and use a hose to connect the humidifier to the fan and then problem solved. you can use cpap mask to make sure that the fan blow air directly into your nose. Please tell me why we need a CPAP

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by BlackSpinner » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:20 pm

mtnguyen wrote:if the whole purpose of the CPAP is to blow air into our nose then why do we need to spend 1000 dollars when we can use a fan to blow air into our nose, and for the humidifier part, we can use humidifier and use a hose to connect the humidifier to the fan and then problem solved. you can use cpap mask to make sure that the fan blow air directly into your nose. Please tell me why we need a CPAP
And how do you plan to control the exact pressure required to hold your throat (not you nose) open all night? And provide the detailed data per breathe?

Click on the light bulb - cpap wiki the get a clear understand how things work

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by library lady » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:04 pm

The air we breathe that's in the atmosphere is not pressurized; when sleep apnea is present, it means that our throats need more pressure to splint the airway open so that we don't stop breathing. CPAP machines provide that pressure by taking the ordinary room air and adding pressure and directing it into the airway. A fan will not pressurize the air; all it does is circulate the air. The hose directs the pressurized air into your mask where it can get to your airway via your nose, your mouth or both.

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

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Post by Wulfman... » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:32 pm

mtnguyen wrote:if the whole purpose of the CPAP is to blow air into our nose then why do we need to spend 1000 dollars when we can use a fan to blow air into our nose, and for the humidifier part, we can use humidifier and use a hose to connect the humidifier to the fan and then problem solved. you can use cpap mask to make sure that the fan blow air directly into your nose. Please tell me why we need a CPAP
To ensure that idiots will keep asking these types of questions.

Why do I get the feeling that someone is trying to pull our legs?


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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by BlackSpinner » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:01 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
mtnguyen wrote:if the whole purpose of the CPAP is to blow air into our nose then why do we need to spend 1000 dollars when we can use a fan to blow air into our nose, and for the humidifier part, we can use humidifier and use a hose to connect the humidifier to the fan and then problem solved. you can use cpap mask to make sure that the fan blow air directly into your nose. Please tell me why we need a CPAP
To ensure that idiots will keep asking these types of questions.

Why do I get the feeling that someone is trying to pull our legs?


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Yes the first post I wrote was assuming a troll, then I thought maybe some one not very educated or very old so why not point them in the right direction.

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by chunkyfrog » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:37 pm

The difference between a fan and a cpap is something like the difference between a bouncy house and the space shuttle.
Many of us don't fully understand how it works--but that it really does--in spades!

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by Julie » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:32 pm

The right amount of air, all night long, in carefully measured amounts and the right amount of humidity (whatever that may be for an individual) to deliver just enough and not too much air to your too-narrow airway so it stays open to receive the air. A fan won't do the trick and you'll probably feel like you've been in the desert after 5 mins. If your airway doesn't allow enough air in, your 02 drops (enough to kill you over time) and you don't breathe at all for often long periods of time until your body wakes up just enough (up to 150 x a night for some) in reaction to the struggle to breathe, but not enough to 'wake' you, and you feel like crap the next day because you didn't get restful sleep. That's why Cpap!

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by Goofproof » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:52 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:The difference between a fan and a cpap is something like the difference between a bouncy house and the space shuttle.
Many of us don't fully understand how it works--but that it really does--in spades!
Which is preferable to treat sleep apnea, a bouncy house or the space shuttle? Wouldn't it just be better to have a surgeon install a piece of garden hose down your throat to hold your airway open. Jim
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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by Too tall » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:44 pm

mtnguyen wrote:if the whole purpose of the CPAP is to blow air into our nose then why do we need to spend 1000 dollars when we can use a fan to blow air into our nose, and for the humidifier part, we can use humidifier and use a hose to connect the humidifier to the fan and then problem solved. you can use cpap mask to make sure that the fan blow air directly into your nose. Please tell me why we need a CPAP
Good idea, put a funnel on the front of the fan and connect a piece of water hose to it and you have a homemade cpap!
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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by Cereal Killer » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:08 am

mtnguyen wrote: we can use a fan to blow air into our nose, and for the humidifier part, we can use humidifier and use a hose to connect the humidifier to the fan and then problem solved. you can use cpap mask to make sure that the fan blow air directly into your nose.
Try it. You might like it.

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by SleepWrangler » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:12 am

Oh. Are we trying to lure Sludge into conversation by using an alternate persona?

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by Cereal Killer » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:14 am

library lady wrote:The air we breathe that's in the atmosphere is not pressurized;
1013.25 millibars standard



A fan will not pressurize the air;
A common room fan blowing on your face increases the air pressure on your face. The central element of your CPAP machine is a little fan.

Common room fans are used to treat sleep apnea. But coffee is also used.

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:47 am

Garden hose--not doable!
If it were, the bullfrog would never stop smiling.

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Re: Why do we need a CPAP?

Post by space45 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:49 am

mtnguyen wrote:if the whole purpose of the CPAP is to blow air into our nose then why do we need to spend 1000 dollars when we can use a fan to blow air into our nose, and for the humidifier part, we can use humidifier and use a hose to connect the humidifier to the fan and then problem solved. you can use cpap mask to make sure that the fan blow air directly into your nose. Please tell me why we need a CPAP
I had the exact same thought, more or less and voiced it here, did not go over well, I did throw in a rant on top so that may have been the deal breaker, not sure, could be my over information when doing a posting, not sure.
back in the beginning before all the high tech stuff came, what you descried was for the most part what it was, they ruffed it, no humidifier for the first guys, man the drop out rate must have been high. ouch.
I keep calling it a over price blow drier, my mom had the old hose and cap blow drier and I would have a ton of fun with it when I was a kid. she was non to happy, but I had a ball.
I would like to make a blower and try to use it as a CPAP and see what it is like, will make every thing including a humidifier and see how it goes. want to make my own mask, will use the hose I have here. should be fun
BlackSpinner wrote:And how do you plan to control the exact pressure required to hold your throat (not you nose) open all night? And provide the detailed data per breathe?
he could use a spring loaded dump valve like I will use for mine blower based machine, same as was used on the first gen machines before any electronics were used.
Wulfman... wrote:Why do I get the feeling that someone is trying to pull our legs?
should my spidey sense be going off? I sure hope I am not on your mind
chunkyfrog wrote:The difference between a fan and a cpap is something like the difference between a bouncy house and the space shuttle.
Many of us don't fully understand how it works--but that it really does--in spades!
that is a big gap. he said fan, a CPAP is a blower, a high tec blower now days but back in the day they were vary low tech, the diff between a fan and blower in not the big, not bouncy house and shuttle big.
Too tall wrote:Good idea, put a funnel on the front of the fan and connect a piece of water hose to it and you have a homemade cpap!
if done right you would convert a fan into a blower and that with a dump valve would work, if one had to ruff it.
Cereal Killer wrote:Try it. You might like it.
I will try it and I may just like it, will let you know after I have tried it.
SleepWrangler wrote:Oh. Are we trying to lure Sludge into conversation by using an alternate persona?
again I sure hope that is not aimed at me, I have nothing to do with this thread other then this post. the content is similar but nothing to do with me. but I would say he has a brain and is using it. he is asking the most obvious question, why so much money for a glorified blower. if he want he can read my other post for my idea of why so much money for a high tech blower.
Cereal Killer wrote:1013.25 millibars standard
your right for absolute pressure, but she is right for relative pressure. and in this case relative pressure would be the relevant one. increasing over all absolute pressure would do nothing for sleep apnea, it is the increased relative pressure difference in your breathing passage that does the trick.
chunkyfrog wrote:Garden hose--not doable!
If it were, the bullfrog would never stop smiling.
I am not touching that one...lol