If you just lost a bunch of weight

Bill44133 · Post by **Bill44133** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:48 pm

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:Yep, I am very fat. Became that way gradually. But unlike many here and elsewhere, I take personal responsibility for my obesity. I am not a whiner. Its my fault that Im so damned obese. I simply eat too much. Im a pig.

I just can step up to the plate and admit it to myself and others...unlike others here.

I refuse to be a victim and realize I contributed to my obesity.

Eric

Ruinednose wrote: It's hard to burn the fat. But it's really just a dicipline thing... It's tough...but.... Aren't you?

Eric just get adjusted to your therapy and get caught up on your sleep. You are being too hard on yourself and others dwelling on weight.
Once you are feeling better and get your energy back you will start moving more and with proper sleep/rest the weight will just come off naturally.
Give yourself some time to recover. I like you gained alot of weight before being diagnosed with OSA.
I have been on therapy for 7+ months now and have lost 30 lbs with no special diet.

I wish you good luck!

Janknitz · Post by **Janknitz** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:00 am

And did not look like 250 pounds of chewed bubble gum, you might be able to 1) get off that CPAP machine, 2) get some actual respect and 3) fit back into your own clothes from twenty or more years ago and 4) not get laughed at when you go outside your house.

So, how's that working out for you, Eric???

STILL fat?
Still on the machine?

TonyE · Post by **TonyE** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:30 am

Well I am not overweight and guess what I need to use the same machine as you. I am really grateful for the support this forum offers to helping us that are new to this adjust and maybe a good idea for you to use the forum for support because it really sounds like you need it.

49er · Post by **49er** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:09 am

TonyE wrote:Well I am not overweight and guess what I need to use the same machine as you. I am really grateful for the support this forum offers to helping us that are new to this adjust and maybe a good idea for you to use the forum for support because it really sounds like you need it.

Normally, that is good advice TonyE. But Eric seems to be the type of person who enjoys trolling the forum to get a rise out of folks.

I am wondering if we are all wasting our time (include me) by responding to him since it seems we are feeding his addiction to cause trouble.

49er

PS- Forgot to mention that I am approximately 5-10 pounds overweight.

Sludge · Post by **Sludge** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:34 am

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:Im putting together a "boot camp" fat camp for OSA sufferers.

Actually, given all the factors that contribute to the presence/severity of OSA, it would be far more efficient to put together a "boot camp" for "old" rather than "fat":

TonyE · Post by **TonyE** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:37 am

Sludge wrote:
SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:Im putting together a "boot camp" fat camp for OSA sufferers.
Actually, given all the factors that contribute to the presence/severity of OSA, it would be far more efficient to put together a "boot camp" for "old" rather than "fat":

cool so all I need to do is find a way too become younger now wheres my time machine

Sludge · Post by **Sludge** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:54 am

TonyE wrote:cool so all I need to do is find a way too become younger now wheres my time machine

Since there are also gender-related differences, we could similarly start a "boot camp" for "sex"...

Ford Guy · Post by **Ford Guy** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:07 am

Sludge wrote:
TonyE wrote:cool so all I need to do is find a way too become younger now wheres my time machine
Since there are also gender-related differences, we could similarly start a "boot camp" for "sex"...

WOW...sign me up!

SleepyToo2 · Post by **SleepyToo2** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:14 am

Ford Guy wrote:
Sludge wrote:
TonyE wrote:cool so all I need to do is find a way too become younger now wheres my time machine
Since there are also gender-related differences, we could similarly start a "boot camp" for "sex"...

WOW...sign me up!

I was wondering if there is actually a benefit to getting older, once you get past 60? So if you are over that age, and lose weight, can you dump your C-PAP? I don't think so, but if someone can provide proof maybe I will have that to! look forward to? My father is 93, so I have a good chance that I will be around to test the theory!!!! So far, I have seen zero evidence of any age- or weight-related improvement, so I am not expecting anything!

SMenasco · Post by **SMenasco** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:48 am

BlackSpinner, great looking pictures! Super curvy figure! I admit it! I'm a dirty old man. My youth rides around with me, as I can't resist gazing at a well-turned ankle when it presents itself. And my cpap keeps me from vapor-locking. My problem is that I'm still 28 years old locked up in this old ugly fat body and can't get out. However, I've been working on it. I've lost 30 lbs. in the last five months. My pressures don't appear to have changed. I gave up my diet for a while, since I just had a LTKR four weeks ago. Even if I go on to lose more lbs., I will have a separation problem if I am faced with abandoning my old honking friend, the S9 goose. I have become so used to cpap, it feels like I have a little difficulty breathing without it. Boot camp? I don't think so. Number one, I'm just a little lazy for that nonsense. Number two, I just don't take direction very well in my old age. So troll on, sonny.

tetragon · Post by **tetragon** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:04 am

Sludge, any possibility of a "boot camp" for "connective tissue"? I think that might drop my AHI, and even if it doesn't, it should at the very least put an end to my physio's horrible exercises.

BlackSpinner · Post by **BlackSpinner** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:09 am

SleepyToo2 wrote:
I was wondering if there is actually a benefit to getting older, once you get past 60? So if you are over that age, and lose weight, can you dump your C-PAP? I don't think so, but if someone can provide proof maybe I will have that to! look forward to? My father is 93, so I have a good chance that I will be around to test the theory!!!! So far, I have seen zero evidence of any age- or weight-related improvement, so I am not expecting anything!

I think the stats might be misleading, those may be due to the fact that people with untreated OSA in their 50's died off before they got older.

surf_rower · Post by **surf_rower** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:32 am

BlackSpinner wrote:
SleepyToo2 wrote:
I was wondering if there is actually a benefit to getting older, once you get past 60? So if you are over that age, and lose weight, can you dump your C-PAP? I don't think so, but if someone can provide proof maybe I will have that to! look forward to? My father is 93, so I have a good chance that I will be around to test the theory!!!! So far, I have seen zero evidence of any age- or weight-related improvement, so I am not expecting anything!
I think the stats might be misleading, those may be due to the fact that people with untreated OSA in their 50's died off before they got older.

Probably has more to do with when the diagnosis occurred.

I'm on that happy 50-59 high bar. Yep, connective tissue boot camp, that's the answer. Everything gets worse after estrogen is gone. Well, except the mood. Much better in late 50s! Even before CPAP!

SleepyToo2 · Post by **SleepyToo2** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:04 pm

surf_rower wrote:
BlackSpinner wrote:
SleepyToo2 wrote:
I was wondering if there is actually a benefit to getting older, once you get past 60? So if you are over that age, and lose weight, can you dump your C-PAP? I don't think so, but if someone can provide proof maybe I will have that to! look forward to? My father is 93, so I have a good chance that I will be around to test the theory!!!! So far, I have seen zero evidence of any age- or weight-related improvement, so I am not expecting anything!
I think the stats might be misleading, those may be due to the fact that people with untreated OSA in their 50's died off before they got older.
Probably has more to do with when the diagnosis occurred.

I'm on that happy 50-59 high bar. Yep, connective tissue boot camp, that's the answer. Everything gets worse after estrogen is gone. Well, except the mood. Much better in late 50s! Even before CPAP!

Probably a combination of the untreated OSA people dying off in their 50s and when the diagnosis occurred. Keeping in mind that diagnosis has only been refined over the past few years. At least it is only the smart ones who get to live to a ripe old age - the others will die off early?

Sludge · Post by **Sludge** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:05 am

BlackSpinner wrote:
SleepyToo2 wrote:
I was wondering if there is actually a benefit to getting older, once you get past 60? So if you are over that age, and lose weight, can you dump your C-PAP? I don't think so, but if someone can provide proof maybe I will have that to! look forward to? My father is 93, so I have a good chance that I will be around to test the theory!!!! So far, I have seen zero evidence of any age- or weight-related improvement, so I am not expecting anything!
I think the stats might be misleading, those may be due to the fact that people with untreated OSA in their 50's died off before they got older.

Well, in the above example, over half of them would have to die, and that's simply not the case. AAMOF Lavetz showed:

Using Cox regression analysis we found that after adjustment for comorbidities there was no association between sleep apnoea severity and mortality.

Further

The most intriguing finding of this study is the dramatic survival advantage of elderly patients with moderate sleep apnoea and the lack of excess mortality in elderly patients with severe sleep apnoea. The SMR in the moderate group was remarkably low, 0.42, while severe patients having a mean RDI of 58.7 events h−1 had the same mortality rates as those of the demographically matched general population cohort.

so one could easily argue if one is not getting objective benefit from CPAP (i.e., reversal of EDS)(or if CPAP makes your sleep worse), then why bother?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 754.x/full

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