Need moisture but not heat

[StuUnderPressure]

P.S. Pugsy

Someone showed me the letter they got from Apria stating Apria would be calling them every 3 months Re replacing supplies.

It came from the "Apria Sleep Management Center" at 700 NW Argosy Parkway in Riverside, MO 64150.

Is that near you?
If it is, you can go there & read them the riot act on behalf of all of its customers that Apria has @%$%$ off.

It apparently was run through a Postage Meter & reads Presorted First Class U.S. Postage Paid Greensburg, PA Permit No. 130 - so it is possible that it was mailed from PA.

[Pugsy]

Still may be a Stupid Question OR maybe I am just over analyzing this too much or just not explaining my thoughts adequately.

BetsyV IS using a Room Humidifier.
And, since the windows are open, I ASS-U-ME she is not running a furnace or a fireplace.

Oh, you were talking about Betsy and not just me? I misunderstood..
Still we don't know where she lives and what the humidity is outside.
My own personal take on the situation...doesn't matter what the humidity is outside because she needs the windows open to get the desired temperature down to where she is comfortable sleeping so she can sleep. Getting good sleep is always my number one goal and I still have some pretty nasty hot flashes myself so I can understand the need for a good sleeping temperature no matter how someone goes about getting it.
So I was just tossing out ideas to help in her situation and since the window being open is a necessary part of the equation to control temperature in the room..it really didn't matter to me whether it was drier outside and the mix of the drier air outside (assuming it was drier) with the indoor air making the humidifier have to work harder.

Yes, one would think that one would want to keep the window closed when using a humidifier so not to decrease the humidity inside the room (again assuming that outside air contains less moisture) but if closing the window is not an option then we make do with what we have.

I see your point but didn't go there because of Betsy's comments about having to have the window open to regulate temperatures.
Many, many years ago I lived in the nurses dorm on the middle floor and in the middle of the building. During the winter months opening the window was the only means to regulate the temperature of the bedroom. Been there, done that and if humidity needs had been an issue for some reason or other...I would have just had to work around it. Shutting the window meant slowly roasting in an oven and there was no sleep in the oven.

[Pugsy]

It came from the "Apria Sleep Management Center" at 700 NW Argosy Parkway in Riverside, MO 64150.

Is that near you?

Nope, that is in North Kansas City area from what I can make out on the map. I am due south about 200 miles I guess..

There is a sort of local Crapria office about an hour east of me but I haven't ever been there.
I also have a Lin (Idon't) Care office about 15 miles from me but they are the ones I fired before ever getting the machine from them back when I started therapy.

[Hawthorne]

I almost always (except on the coldest winter nights) use my humidifier in passive mode - distilled water in the water chamber but no heat turned on. This way I get some moisture but no heat.

I happen to use a stand alone humidifier but any integrated humidifier would work the same I believe.

[BetsyV]

Ask your local pharmacist for a longer acting version of chlortrimeton. My pharmacist said he could order a longer acting version, but the pill is larger, and I have trouble swallowing pills. So, I still use the 4 hour pills.

My pharmacist says that the long-acting version is no longer available in Canada. Something to do with quality control issues at the one plant that had been making it.

[BetsyV]

My machine...if I turn the Climate Control off...will allow me to adjust the humidity level and the temperature separately. Can you do that with whatever machine you are using? To stop rainout, I still have to use the heated hose and a Pad-a-Cheek hose cover.

I also have bad allergies and congestion. But when I was at the allergist several months ago, she asked me if I knew how to use nose spray. Duh, spray it up my nose. No! She told me to tilt my head down, point the nose spray to the outer corner of my eye that was on the same side, and spray; if it was going down my throat I was doing it wrong. Since I started spraying that way, I have stopped using my steroid nose sprays. Just the saline nose spray half an hour before bed does the job. Who knew?

Hope you find a solution!

Interesting about the nasal spray. I will have to pay attention to how I use it to see what angle I spray it at.
My machine has only one setting for the humidifier, not separate ones for humidity and temperature.

[BetsyV]

Might be a stupid Question here - but isn't the cold room (via the open window) just getting rid of the humidity added by the Humidifier because you are letting in drier colder air into a room that has more humid air?
Just sounds like a vicious cycle to me.

It definitely is. But without the window open, it's stifling hot in the bedroom. In an apartment building, your heat is essentially controlled by your neighbours. We rarely turn our heat on.

[BetsyV]

Still we don't know where she lives and what the humidity is outside.
My own personal take on the situation...doesn't matter what the humidity is outside because she needs the windows open to get the desired temperature down to where she is comfortable sleeping so she can sleep.

You've got it. I live in central Canada, in an upper floor apartment. So the air outside is dry and cold, but there is so much heat bleeding into the apartment from the surrounding units that the windows have to be open for the temperature to be tolerable. We don't turn close the windows unless it's VERY cold out. The humidifier is large enough that it should be able to keep the whole apartment at a suitable level, but with the open window...

Somebody pointed out that a solution might be to run an air conditioner all winter. It would probably be quite expensive (since we pay for electricity but not heat) but it just might work.

[Goofproof]

The A/C is only 8, 000 btu and it will only go down to 64 degrees, so it only runs as a fan most of the night. I leave the room heat off. The bad part is running a ac in cold weather is hard on the compressor startup, but it's been 5 years and still going, no harm no foul. This winter I am tfying to run it less. Jim

[zoocrewphoto]

My machine...if I turn the Climate Control off...will allow me to adjust the humidity level and the temperature separately. Can you do that with whatever machine you are using? To stop rainout, I still have to use the heated hose and a Pad-a-Cheek hose cover.

I also have bad allergies and congestion. But when I was at the allergist several months ago, she asked me if I knew how to use nose spray. Duh, spray it up my nose. No! She told me to tilt my head down, point the nose spray to the outer corner of my eye that was on the same side, and spray; if it was going down my throat I was doing it wrong. Since I started spraying that way, I have stopped using my steroid nose sprays. Just the saline nose spray half an hour before bed does the job. Who knew?

Hope you find a solution!

Interesting about the nasal spray. I will have to pay attention to how I use it to see what angle I spray it at.
My machine has only one setting for the humidifier, not separate ones for humidity and temperature.

What machine do you have? I have the Resmed S9. With regular hose, it only has the humidity setting. With heated hose, I have humidity and temp settings.

Some of the respironics machines also have heated hose options. Not sure how their settings work, but if you tell us what machine you, somebody will tell you what options you may have.

[Pugsy]

What machine do you have?

She has a Respironics M series machine. Options are limited and none that really will help much with wanting moisture but not heat.

[BlackSpinner]

And, since the windows are open, I ASS-U-ME she is not running a furnace or a fireplace.

I only closed my window yesterday because it went down to -30c last night. Heating the house is irrelevant to windows open in the bedroom. I like my bedroom cold but others don't feel the same way.

[BlackSpinner]

Somebody pointed out that a solution might be to run an air conditioner all winter. It would probably be quite expensive (since we pay for electricity but not heat) but it just might work.

Just get a fan and have it blow on you. I used to do that in my house in Montreal where opening the bedroom window was not an option - right on street.

[BetsyV]

What machine do you have?

She has a Respironics M series machine. Options are limited and none that really will help much with wanting moisture but not heat.

So, I guess the next question is -- what should my next machine be, to get some humidity but not heat?

[Goofproof]

The machine isn't as much the problem as the laws of physics, air at a set temp will only hold so much moisture.(dew point) For a little moisture, passover mode (no heat on), more moisture requires more heat. You can't fool mother nature.

You can buy a humidifier (passover), basically enclosed tray of water the air blows on, probably transfers more moisture that a factory hh with the power off. It will take up more space. Jim