CPAP machine works, now I have a problem in waking up early

[sleepy1235]

Well my CPAP machine works. I typically have 0.0 to 0.5 APH Index when I sleep.

So my new problem is that I wake up early, around 4-4:30 am when I go to bed at 10 pm. If I go to bed later, like midnight I will be able to sleep in to 5-6pm.

During weekdays I might get back to sleep by 5:30 am but then I will be up shortly.

So I am still not getting enough sleep routinely and I am sleepy. On weekends, I will get back to bed at 7 am and sleep a few hours, or have a nap for 3 to 5 hours. Makes for a short weekend.

So this isn't a CPAP issue except that now it works, I am not so tired that I routinely sleep to 6 am.

What is the forum for me and where? Is there a sleeping pill that wears off completely in 2 hours?

Please no talk about me "eventually" getting a sleep pattern or this is the best it is going to get.

[oak]

have you gotten sleepyhead software and looked at your data and posted it here to see if there is anything that shows up around the time you are waking up?

[Space Oddity]

The standard answer I learned from the forum in a case where your apnea is well controlled:

1. Healthy diet
2. Moderate exercise
3. Good sleep hygiene

Start with #3. Google sleep hygiene, learn about it from several sources and practice it.

One thing you will read is you absolutely must keep the same sleep schedule over the weekend.

I find if I don't keep the same bed hours, it throws me off for another day or two.

[chunkyfrog]

I thought that once I retired, I would get an hour or two extra sleep a night.

[RogerSC]

I thought that once I retired, I would get an hour or two extra sleep a night.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, and I figured once my kids were old enough, I'd catch up on the sleep that I missed early on *smile*.

Older and wiser now.

[dos coyotes]

Interesting scenario the OP makes here --- in my case I too am waking much earlier post CPAP than pre. I've always been a night owl and typically retire between midnight and 1 am. Pre-CPAP I would easily sleep until 8 or more often 9am. It would routinely be 10am before I was "up and at em!"

Post CPAP I still retire about the same time but the qality of my sleep is so improved that I routinely wake about 7ish and am aup and running by 8am. I've found it as a benefit and I do not tire during the day nor have I had a "nap" since beginning CPA in late February.

I would echo the earlier post - get a look at your data and see just how well your apnea i truly being controlled and if there is not some event that is causing your waking.

Good luck

[BlackSpinner]

Sometimes it takes time for your body to create a new schedule. This is especially true if you have trained it to need a nap.

You have two choices 1) work at changing your body rhythm or 2) ignore the whole thing, get up at 5:30, use the time to do something and take naps (with your cpap machine)

[msla]

I think my body has determined that 9 pm is a good bed time and 7-8 hours is just right and between 5 and 6 am is the proper time to wake up. A couple of cups of coffee and the paper equalls a nice time in the morning. It is 8:57, good night all.

[chunkyfrog]

Since cpap, it's much easier to get up. I spend about the same time in bed; but it feels better.

[sleepy1235]

GOOD RESPONSES:

1. OAK: GOOD ADVICE for several reasons. There might be something waking me up early. Also, I have been concerned about getting sleepyhead software whether it really works. Hearing from users is helpful. THANKS.

2. SPACE ODDITY: GOOD ADVICE. I do make sure I eat good food. I do much of my own cooking. I am making an effort to do more exercise, though I am struggling since I am tired.

I have heard of the sleep hygiene. I am skeptical though. Has it really been verified experimentally in controlled studies or is it just something that some doctor thought up and is now passed along? There is a lot of this in medicine.

On weekends I have a social life and want to go out and also I have late night visitors. I am not going always going to keep a sleep schedule on the weekend.

However, THANKS. I am going to look into this.

3. DOS COYOTES: THANKS. It is good to see that my experience is shared by others. I think your advice about checking my data is good.

4. BLACK SPINNER: How do you change your body rhythm.

BAD RESPONSES: I know these people don't mean ill, but they represent attitudes that really irritate me and the postings aren't value added.

1. CHUNKY FROG: 1st posting: What value is this? You are retired and so you accept less. I am not ready to be put out to pasture. 2nd Posting: What is the point of this relative to the thread?

2. RogerSC: What value is this? You are retired and so you accept less. I am not ready to be put out to pasture.

3. MSIA: Your point is?

MY PLAN:

1. I am reading about Advance Phase Sleep Disorder. Will try to get sun after work.

2. I am going to consider getting sleepyhead software.

3. Will be exercising.

[Cereal Killer]

I have heard of the sleep hygiene. I am skeptical though. Has it really been verified experimentally in controlled studies or is it just something that some doctor thought up and is now passed along? There is a lot of this in medicine.

Sorry, but I have to laugh at this one. This is typical of how we humans behave. I don't think you are a skeptic.

The human trait here is to accept everything at face value that lines up with how we want to live. Then, for those things which conflict with how we want to live, we scrutinize and demand scientific evidence.

On weekends I have a social life and want to go out and also I have late night visitors. I am not going always going to keep a sleep schedule on the weekend.

Your mind is made up. Now demand scientific evidence to prove sleep hygiene works.

It's your choice.

[49er]

HI Sleepy1235,

I just responded to you on the other board. But to be honest, I am regretting it if all you are going to do is criticize responses that you don't like. If a thread gets off topic, all you have to do is ask that people get back on topic in a polite manner. And if you don't understand the point of someone's post, why not simply ask for clarification and give them the benefit of the doubt without negative characterizing their post? It seems like a more positive tone would go alot further with people.

I do agree with your skepticism on sleep hygiene by the way. However, I do feel that excessive naps definitely interfere and it sounds like that may be occurring with you. I suggested in my other response that perhaps you could make a compromise on this just as taking quick one earlier in the morning so it would lessen the chances of interfering with your sleep at night.

Anyway, I hope you will take what I say serious regarding the best way to respond to various posts as I would hate for you to encounter difficulties in this forum when you need assistance.

Best of luck.

49er

GOOD RESPONSES:

1. OAK: GOOD ADVICE for several reasons. There might be something waking me up early. Also, I have been concerned about getting sleepyhead software whether it really works. Hearing from users is helpful. THANKS.

2. SPACE ODDITY: GOOD ADVICE. I do make sure I eat good food. I do much of my own cooking. I am making an effort to do more exercise, though I am struggling since I am tired.

I have heard of the sleep hygiene. I am skeptical though. Has it really been verified experimentally in controlled studies or is it just something that some doctor thought up and is now passed along? There is a lot of this in medicine.

On weekends I have a social life and want to go out and also I have late night visitors. I am not going always going to keep a sleep schedule on the weekend.

However, THANKS. I am going to look into this.

3. DOS COYOTES: THANKS. It is good to see that my experience is shared by others. I think your advice about checking my data is good.

4. BLACK SPINNER: How do you change your body rhythm.

BAD RESPONSES: I know these people don't mean ill, but they represent attitudes that really irritate me and the postings aren't value added.

1. CHUNKY FROG: 1st posting: What value is this? You are retired and so you accept less. I am not ready to be put out to pasture. 2nd Posting: What is the point of this relative to the thread?

2. RogerSC: What value is this? You are retired and so you accept less. I am not ready to be put out to pasture.

3. MSIA: Your point is?

MY PLAN:

1. I am reading about Advance Phase Sleep Disorder. Will try to get sun after work.

2. I am going to consider getting sleepyhead software.

3. Will be exercising.

[kteague]

I would be interested in hearing if your night remains short even when there are no naps or returns to bed. With a nap as long as you say and long gaps in your sleep sessions, it may be that you don't need as long of sleep at night because your body thinks it already got some of it. Just based on personal experience, I generally advocate a sleep deprived person get their sleep whenever and wherever they can. It's a matter of survival. But once survival is not so much the issue and finding a sleep pattern that works best for us is the task at hand, as much as in our control, we may have to make some hard choices to achieve our goal. Based on your own schedule and lifestyle, maybe pick a period of time when you can regulate your sleep sessions (stay up in the morning and forfeit naps) and see if it helps your night sessions. If after some time you find it didn't help at all, you can always go back to napping. Time is something I'd venture to say most of prefer to not have to give our bodies, but healing and recovery takes time. Especially with the brain and how patterns are embedded. It takes time and perseverance to re-habituate. Once new patterns are established, flexibility is less likely to be an issue. No one thing works for everyone. For me, forcing more awake time during the day was a necessity to break a many year pattern of sleeping in short snatches around the clock. Hope you find what works for you.

[Wulfman...]

Well my CPAP machine works. I typically have 0.0 to 0.5 APH Index when I sleep.

So my new problem is that I wake up early, around 4-4:30 am when I go to bed at 10 pm. If I go to bed later, like midnight I will be able to sleep in to 5-6pm.

During weekdays I might get back to sleep by 5:30 am but then I will be up shortly.

So I am still not getting enough sleep routinely and I am sleepy. On weekends, I will get back to bed at 7 am and sleep a few hours, or have a nap for 3 to 5 hours. Makes for a short weekend.

So this isn't a CPAP issue except that now it works, I am not so tired that I routinely sleep to 6 am.

What is the forum for me and where? Is there a sleeping pill that wears off completely in 2 hours?

Please no talk about me "eventually" getting a sleep pattern or this is the best it is going to get.

Most of us went through that stage.......our bodies are able to do well with less sleep because we were getting better sleep with more oxygen.

At some point, we learned to figure out how to get more sleep time. It's just one of those "Your Mileage May Vary" things that happen with this therapy.


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[LSAT]

Sleepy 1235...Who appointed you the one to judge each response as to whether it is good or bad? Be thankful that people are responding to your weird posts.