To the Tap Pap users

[rosacer]

I received my Tap Pap, yes you are right you convinced me to try it

Questions:

1) Is it normal to feel a pressure on the front teeth? I heated the mouth piece several times (the one who came attached to the mask, not the one on the separated bag) and at the end I moved it a bit pulling and pushing it until it cooled down to avoid the big pressure I felt the first tries. Still it is a little tight.

2) When I lay down with the mask on and I turn I feel a clic who travels until my teeth , the moving part from the hose makes that noise. I put some olive oil on that ball articulation without great success. Does it happens to you (the noise) ? What did you do to fix the situation?

That's all for now, thanks

Rosie

[newsnore]

Yes there has always been a small amount of pressure - it shouldn't be so much that it is uncomfortable. After the first one or 2 nights of use that feeling became unnoticeable. I guess I was one of the fortunate ones who got the boil and fit right first off and now after 5 months of Tap Pap it is still the same and I haven't needed to boil and refit. I have even removed it in my sleep on more than one occasion so it can't be that tight. It just "hugs"the teeth and if I think about it, when I remove it in the morning, there is a slight sensitiveness in the teeth - but I really don't notice it.

I haven't noticed any clicking in the connection of my mask - so maybe it is a faulty joint - or it could be turning in the connection to your cpap hose as that is not a tight fit - if anything a bit too loose and I have to jamb it together quite hard to make sure it doesn't pull apart.

[nanwilson]

Rosie, the mouth piece that came in the bag is the new and improved one, the one attached to the mask is the old style and is bigger in the mouth. I had to boil and bite mine 4 times before I got it right Mine feels just snug on my teeth but just easy to get off in the morning. No sore teeth or mouth pain after the first couple of days.
Now my problem is that I drool with the mouth piece in . Hope that doesn't last too long.
Cheers
Nan

[Pugsy]

The mouth guard that comes attached to the mask is the old heavier and thicker mouth guard. Try the one that came separately and see if it is a little more comfortable. When you do the fitting..suck ever so gently to get the molding started...don't over do the sucking action.
And yes, I did initially feel a little pressure but that didn't last long and now after it has been in place maybe 10 seconds I don't even notice it's there except for the little thing sticking out my mouth.

I have never felt any click or movement that was transmitted to the mouth guard and I always do a lot of tossing and turning. Never had any noise either.

[rosacer]

Thank you newsnore, Nanwilson and Pugsy for the answers.

This thing gets tight when it cools down on my mouth I just put it again in the hot water and kept it inside the mouth and yes now it is tight again. I think I will try it like that.

I toke a small nap with the mask and I noticed I was not opening the mouth when on my back, that is a huge improvement. My tongue seals better the pressure now with the mouth-guard inside. The last months I have been motorboarding and making small puffs when on my back because my tongue is not able to block the air passage against the roof of the mouth, that wakes me up or forbids me to fall asleep.

I will continue with the old mouth piece to give it a chance, if it doesn't work well I will start boiling the other hoping it will take 1 or 2 instead of 6 times

The noise seems to be the mobile junction gets stuck and when it unblocks it makes a noise which travels on the hose and I feel over the teeth Why this needed to happens to me darn, the mask toke long enough to arrive; I order it on August the 9th and it arrived today the 22 August this is 13 days ! What should I do ? I'll check how it works this night.

The insurance is useless as you can see, if it takes 13 days to come and who knows how much to arrive to USA it left me with 4 days to try in the best of the cases That's why I was not decided to buy the Tap Pap because I knew it was a no return decision.

OK enough complaining

Rosie

EDIT TO ADD: (from my cpap.com order)

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If the shipping takes 2 -3 weeks what is the use of a Return Insurance Option which allows me 30 days to have the item back to cpap.com ? I will ask the question tomorrow.

[kteague]

I have had a bit of the tooth soreness - not enough to make me not use it. And when that joint in the hose moves, there is a 'pop". Haven't figured out how to stop it. Have noticed I have to be careful about how the hose is positioned. The least little torque on the mouthpiece seems to be one source of tooth soreness.

[rosacer]

Hi kteague

I was starting to think it was me and my delicacy the cause of the pop. I put olive oil and even a bit or lansinoh without success.

I have not an easy time to take the mouthpiece from my mouth It is not very snug but it fits very weird (my teeth angle for sure). If I find a solution I'll let you know promise

I think it should be not bad, nothing is as bad as my mouth breading. I wake up each night with the mouth so dry that it makes a noise when the water touches it not kidding at all.

[Fizzled]

I just started tap pap too, same thing. The first time I boiled and fit it felt like my teeth were in a vise when cooled.

I eventually got it sorted out, what was really bugging me is I have a deep channel between my incissors and the teeth next to them (whatever you call the ones between them and the front teeth). When cool the plastic felt like it was trying to drive itself between the teeth. What ended up working for me was reboiling and not only sucking less, but more thoroughly, I realized the first time I did it the bottom of the tray wasn't wrapping around the teeth towards the back. When I sucked less but went further around the pressure was more even vs concentrated. It was still tight in the aforementioned channels, I did the hot tap water and reinsert trick, but this time I put the mouth piece on and off while still warm, this 'pushed' the parts driving into my teeth out.

Full disclosure, still havent been able to fall asleep with it on. However, better than the nasal masks I have tried and I'm acclimating to it slowly.

[rosacer]

Yesterday for the number n time I tried to re-mold the bit (the old model) to make it less tight. I have air conditioning and I think the mouth guard shrinks with the room temperature Any way.

I molded the small mouth guard and I slept better using that one. It is impressive the freedom's feeling you have using that mask, the only problem is that you need to be able not to mouth breath of to drool that is my big problem.

I'll continue my test.

Rosie

[khauser]

Rosie,
Definitely try the separate mouth piece, ESPECIALLY if you have any sort of overbite.

And remember when you want to remove it, reach in with your fingers and pull the mask down from the back teeth first. Trying to take it off from the front first is a fight, and with me feels like its going to take my entire jaw with it.

[rosacer]

I feel the same.

thanks khauser

Rosie

[rosacer]

I tried the separate mouth piece. This one is less hard to mold and makes less pressure on my teeth.

I have been sleeping not bad at all using this one. My problem with mouth breathing or drooling because of been unable to seal my tongue against the roof of the mouth is really less now, I could even say I think I sleep throughout the night without waking up that is WONDERFUL because I was not resting well.

I like the lightness of the mask and the fact I have no marks in the morning.

The elbow POP has reduced and it doesn't disturbs me. I tried some coconut oil on it it works better than olive oil or Lansinoh for me. I disassembled the elbow and there is no that I can see could produce the problem.

Could somebody tell me how long last the pillows? I have been using the Medium, I haven't try the large which I have the impression will be too big; the small are definitely too small I haven't tried neither. I will need to offer them on the pillows exchange the moment I decide I keep the mask.

Have a good day y'all

Rosie

[Pugsy]

I am still using the first set of nasal pillows that I started with back the first of March. No rotation of different sets this time either. Same set but I don't wash them daily....about once a week or so. No signs of them being too tired yet but they are starting to look a bit ugly.

I am using the Medium also. I think that they are running small when compared to the other nasal pillows (like the Swift FX) due to the way they are made without the barrel. With any other nasal pillow mask I have ever used I have always been able to use the XSmall or Small. I got too many leaks with the Small in the Tap Pap...tried it the very first night.
I imagine I could also get by with the Large. You might too, so give the large a quick try.

[rosacer]

Pugsy,

I haven't wash my pillows or mouth piece with anything else than warm water not even tooth past I'm afraid of deforming the mouth piece but definitely I need to wash it every other day other way the mouth guard becomes gluey One if this days I will put some toothpaste.

I think I will have a 3 new in it's bag Headrest and several Large pillows for the souvenirs I will seriously consider to change the deconstructed Headrest for the Tap Pap unless I'm able to use the Headrest once again not deconstructed.

[Pugsy]

I normally wash the mouth guard daily...cold to cool water and I use the toothbrush and toothpaste. I do it when I brush my teeth first thing in the AM. I move the mouth guard away from the nasal pillows so that water and stuff doesn't get on the nasal pillows.
Then after rinsing in cool water I either let it sit out or drop the mouth guard portion in a cup of mouth wash...gives the mouth guard a nice minty flavor when I put it in at night. So sometimes it sits in the mouthwash all day and sometimes it just sits out in the air.
I tend to get a bit of "drool" on the little flat piece of plastic that comes through the lips...so that's why I wash or at least rinse off the mouth guard. It gets kinda sticky and yucky looking sometimes...all depends on the drool factor for the night. Sometimes its a high factor and sometimes no drool at all.

About once a week I will pop off the nasal pillows and give them a good hot water scrubbing with some nice scented soap (I like the aroma) and at that time I may do a quick rinse of the rigid part of the barrel where the nasal pillows go in...I don't always though.

The mouth guard I use cool/cold water though unless I am wanting to sort of refit it and now that I have it loose but just snug enough to stay in place...no real need for warm water.

Cleaning routine for the Tap Pap components is going to be like the cleaning routine for any cpap equipment...do whatever you are comfortable with doing. I don't see any need for any hard fast rules. I don't use the Lansinoh ointment any more...so no real need to wash the pillows...no drippy nose or anything like that.
I don't know that frequent washing shortens the life of any nasal pillow but I have found that I always got months and months of use with my routine...so I am happy with it.
My leak line last night....except for my REM periods with a little mouth opening.. still points to sealing well and I would have the mouth opening no matter what the age of my nasal pillow.