is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

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is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by CoreyCorey » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:26 am

Dumb question but:

I fell asleep with my CPAP and had a nice oxygen-rich sleep for 4 hours. Woke up at 5:30 AM, removed mask and dozed off without mask for 60 mins. When I awoke at 6:30 AM, i was in my usual no-CPAP fog (and a headache).

Did that 90 mins counteract the 4 hours of CPAP Sleep?

Still new to this.

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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by DreamStalker » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:21 am

Yes it is ... especially if the 60 minutes occurs at the end of the 4 hrs w/ CPAP.
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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by JohnBFisher » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:42 am

Ditto!

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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by MagsterMile » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:56 am

Let me see if I understand what you are saying. If I sleep with the mask on for 4 plus hours, remove it and go back to sleep, I've basically counteracted the cpap benefit? I actually do this everyday. Sleep about 5 hours, take the mask off and fall back asleep (often waking up a couple of times) for about another 2 hrs. Usually I feel ok but sometimes a little lethargic. Interesting to know this and thank you.

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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by Pugsy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:39 am

Well it probably doesn't totally erase the benefits of the 4 hours on the CPAP machine but the body is kinda funny...it tends to remember the last worst thing and not the previous best thing. So it will likely cause you to feel just as crappy if not worse than if you went the whole night without the machine.

Bad habit to start. Bad habits are real easy to make and really hard to break.

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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by DreamStalker » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:55 am

Pugsy wrote:Well it probably doesn't totally erase the benefits of the 4 hours on the CPAP machine but the body is kinda funny...it tends to remember the last worst thing and not the previous best thing. So it will likely cause you to feel just as crappy if not worse than if you went the whole night without the machine.

Bad habit to start. Bad habits are real easy to make and really hard to break.
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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by BlackSpinner » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:06 am

MagsterMile wrote:Let me see if I understand what you are saying. If I sleep with the mask on for 4 plus hours, remove it and go back to sleep, I've basically counteracted the cpap benefit? I actually do this everyday. Sleep about 5 hours, take the mask off and fall back asleep (often waking up a couple of times) for about another 2 hrs. Usually I feel ok but sometimes a little lethargic. Interesting to know this and thank you.
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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by STL Mark » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:01 pm

I had some problems with this near the start of my therapy. The thing that helped me get past it was to focus on standing while putting on or taking off mask. When I go to bed at night as I approach the bedside chest I put on my mask and get in bed. When I wake up I don't take off my mask until I'm out of bed and on my feet.

At night if due to leaks I need to take it off and reposition it I have found that I can do that in bed and complete the task without dozing off. But I had similar problems with morning wake up and found this method enforced better practices.

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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by MagsterMile » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:19 pm

Thank you for your kind replies. I've been giving in to the impulse to take the mask off after 5 hrs but going forward I will keep it on. Perhaps the additional two hours or so I keep it on can increase the actual sleep time. I have been getting to sleep much, much quicker and staying asleep longer. I am beginning to reap the benefits of the additional sleep. I'm beginning to remember my dreams again. It's been a long haul these past 9 months or so but I have finally turned the corner.

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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by Goofproof » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:32 pm

You FAIL to comprehend what XPAP is for and what it's function is. Xpap treatment is to keep you airway open, so you can breath O2 while you sleep, most of us would prefer to do this all night every night, for us not using xpap everytime we sleep for all the time we sleep, isn't a option. We want to wake up and live one more day, not using xpap all the time you sleep, is like playing with a loaded revolver.

If you want to not use your mask all the time you sleep, it's your choice, all it takes is one event you don't wake up from, and you are cured, but worm food, quite a price to pay, more than i'm willing to pay. Add in to the stress the events cause your brain and heart, it's a no brainer for me to make xpap work ALL the time. Jim
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Post by DreamStalker » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:11 pm

Goofproof wrote:You FAIL to comprehend what XPAP is for and what it's function is. Xpap treatment is to keep you airway open, so you can breath O2 while you sleep, most of us would prefer to do this all night every night, for us not using xpap everytime we sleep for all the time we sleep, isn't a option. We want to wake up and live one more day, not using xpap all the time you sleep, is like playing with a loaded revolver.

If you want to not use your mask all the time you sleep, it's your choice, all it takes is one event you don't wake up from, and you are cured, but worm food, quite a price to pay, more than i'm willing to pay. Add in to the stress the events cause your brain and heart, it's a no brainer for me to make xpap work ALL the time. Jim
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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by DoriC » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:00 pm

Pugsy wrote:Well it probably doesn't totally erase the benefits of the 4 hours on the CPAP machine but the body is kinda funny...it tends to remember the last worst thing and not the previous best thing. So it will likely cause you to feel just as crappy if not worse than if you went the whole night without the machine.

Bad habit to start. Bad habits are real easy to make and really hard to break.
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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by Goofproof » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:11 pm

To tell the truth, I don't remember how long I left the mask off, do I feel lucky. No! I'm dead I don't feel anything. Jim
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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by SleepingUgly » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:44 pm

DoriC wrote:If Mike has bad leaks only at the beginning of the night he says he slept well but if his leaks are only towards morning he says he had a very bad night!
Remembering what just happened vs. what happened awhile ago?
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Re: is 60 Mins with no CPAP Enough To Counteract 4 Hrs W/ CPAP?

Post by archangle » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:42 pm

The body is complex and non-linear in nature. It could go either way. 1 hour of non-pap might not matter much or it might ruin most of the benefit.

I think of it like smoking. Going from 8 hours of apenea per night to 1 hour of apnea per night might be like going from smoking 8 packs of cigarettes a day to smoking 1 pack of cigarettes a day. You may or may not see much improvement in your health.

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