UP bracelet by Jawbone

[Arizona-Willie]

Saw an interesting item called UP system by a company called Jawbone.
It tracks your sleep as well as a lot of other things.

Has anyone tried this?

Darn thing doesn't work with Windows only Apple and Android.

[SomeJoe7777]

It purports to use your body's motion to claim sleep staging (i.e. reports "light" sleep when you're moving or changing positions during sleep, reports "deep" sleep when you're still). Completely useless, as your body's motion is only very weakly related to your sleep stage. Plus, it doesn't report REM stage at all.

True sleep staging requires EEG (brain) inputs/sensors. No EEG = no sleep staging.

The only device that was ever on the market that could get a reasonably accurate sleep staging graph was the Zeo.

[Christine L]

Completely useless

More movement is an indication of poorer sleep and less movement is an indication of better sleep.

It could be used to correlate daily activities such as diet, exercise, social interaction and work with quality of sleep.

For instance, you might find more movement if you eat just before bedtime and less movement if you eat four hours before bedtime. This would be an indication that you have better quality sleep if you avoid eating nearer bedtime. (Of course this is already generally accepted fact.)

[MyIdaho]

Completely useless

More movement is an indication of poorer sleep and less movement is an indication of better sleep.

It could be used to correlate daily activities such as diet, exercise, social interaction and work with quality of sleep.

For instance, you might find more movement if you eat just before bedtime and less movement if you eat four hours before bedtime. This would be an indication that you have better quality sleep if you avoid eating nearer bedtime. (Of course this is already generally accepted fact.)

+1 Spot on Christine! I use a sleep app for my gen 5 Ipod touch called Sleep Motion X. The app scores my in bed time as awake, light sleep, and deep sleep based on movement of the Ipod accelerometer. I do feel much better in the morning when I have long periods of deep sleep than when they are shorter with many light sleep or short term awake periods. Is it perfect, no, but works for me and its lots cheaper than the zeo! $3 for the app and $10 for an Ipod armband.

[SomeJoe7777]

While the device is interesting from a pure data point of view, I stand by my assertion that in terms of sleep staging, the device is useless.

You may indeed correlate your morning feel (good or bad) to the report that the device provides; e.g. You feel good when the device reports more "deep" sleep (i.e. less movement), and not as good when the device reports more "light" sleep (i.e. more movement). That's interesting, but completely unrelated to your brain's true sleep stages: Awake, light (N1 and N2), REM, and Deep (N3 and N4).

Here on this forum, true sleep stage can be an important data point, because in many CPAP patients, the untreated AHI is higher (in some cases much higher) during REM stage vice other stages. CPAP pressure might be high enough to avoid OA events during NREM sleep, but not high enough to avoid OA events during REM sleep. Especially for those who use APAP machines or are attempting to titrate on their own using their machine's data, the true sleep stage can be valuable data to have.

I don't want people to get the idea that they could use the UP bracelet or similar devices for this purpose, because that would seriously lead someone astray. If you need or want sleep staging data for this purpose, the only practical home device that could do it would be a Zeo. Yes, the Zeo is expensive, but there's a reason -- this data is not easy to obtain.

I personally believe that even without a Zeo, looking at the data from your CPAP machine in software like Sleepyhead will give you more information about your true sleep quality than one of these devices.

[MyIdaho]

I personally believe that even without a Zeo, looking at the data from your CPAP machine in software like Sleepyhead will give you more information about your true sleep quality than one of these devices.

My app does a better job of predicting my sleep quality than any graph from sleepyhead. YMMV but I see no obvious relationships. However, I'm open minded... Can you show how my SH graphs would predict whether I had a more restful night?

Personally, I'm not looking for REM sleep anyways, rather I'm looking for duration of quality deep sleep with limited movement. If I have that, then I usually am well rested which is my bottom line measure for evaluating my therapy for simple OSA.

[Goofproof]

Completely useless

More movement is an indication of poorer sleep and less movement is an indication of better sleep.

It could be used to correlate daily activities such as diet, exercise, social interaction and work with quality of sleep.

For instance, you might find more movement if you eat just before bedtime and less movement if you eat four hours before bedtime. This would be an indication that you have better quality sleep if you avoid eating nearer bedtime. (Of course this is already generally accepted fact.)

+1 Spot on Christine! I use a sleep app for my gen 5 Ipod touch called Sleep Motion X. The app scores my in bed time as awake, light sleep, and deep sleep based on movement of the Ipod accelerometer. I do feel much better in the morning when I have long periods of deep sleep than when they are shorter with many light sleep or short term awake periods. Is it perfect, no, but works for me and its lots cheaper than the zeo! $3 for the app and $10 for an Ipod armband.

By this basis DEAD would be perfect sleep. Many things cause us to move at night mine is positional body pain. Too long in any position, and I have to move for relief. Jim

Not a problem for me, I just take a sip of water, reposition and am back sawing logs in less than 2 minutes.

[Christine L]

that would seriously lead someone astray

Oh my.

[MyIdaho]

Completely useless

More movement is an indication of poorer sleep and less movement is an indication of better sleep.

It could be used to correlate daily activities such as diet, exercise, social interaction and work with quality of sleep.

For instance, you might find more movement if you eat just before bedtime and less movement if you eat four hours before bedtime. This would be an indication that you have better quality sleep if you avoid eating nearer bedtime. (Of course this is already generally accepted fact.)

+1 Spot on Christine! I use a sleep app for my gen 5 Ipod touch called Sleep Motion X. The app scores my in bed time as awake, light sleep, and deep sleep based on movement of the Ipod accelerometer. I do feel much better in the morning when I have long periods of deep sleep than when they are shorter with many light sleep or short term awake periods. Is it perfect, no, but works for me and its lots cheaper than the zeo! $3 for the app and $10 for an Ipod armband.

By this basis DEAD would be perfect sleep. Many things cause us to move at night mine is positional body pain. Too long in any position, and I have to move for relief. Jim

Not a problem for me, I just take a sip of water, reposition and am back sawing logs in less than 2 minutes.

Course, you don't wake up from the dead so can't say you're well rested. I too have occasional night problems with joint pain. I move more frequently, have more light sleep and significantly less deep sleep. And, I feel like crap in the morning... The app does predict how I'll feel, particularly when there are lots of cycles between light and deep sleep. YMMV and likely does. Works for me!

[chunkyfrog]

Having used the Zeo, I am spoiled for anything less; and this is considerably less.

[Arizona-Willie]

What's a Zeo?

Does it hurt?

[MyIdaho]

Be careful or the cult of zeo will get you...

Zeo site is down. You can get the general gist on Amazon, see: http://www.amazon.com/health-personal-c ... B002IY65V4

[chunkyfrog]

I wonder how much one of these would run:
http://www.medgadget.com/2013/05/bio-pa ... gnals.html

[MyIdaho]

I wonder how much one of these would run:
http://www.medgadget.com/2013/05/bio-pa ... gnals.html

Where's Cosmo? He's probably tried it already!