Eye-Fi, WiFi, PR & SleepyHead

[Wakanda]

I have PR S1 and would like the data to find it's way to SleepyHead without any labor. Any ideas? Does anyone use the PR Wifi attachment? Has anyone fooled around with the Eye-Fi SD cards so that the attachment wouldn't be necessary?

With WiFi would I be able to TELL the device from my Mac that I'm ready to upload?

Yeah, you're right - Lazy in Seattle

Machine: PR S1 Auto BiPAP 760P on Bilevel - -
Computer: Mac Mini 10.8.3 - -
SleepyHead: v0.9.2-3 - -

[sawinglogz]

I have PR S1 and would like the data to find it's way to SleepyHead without any labor. Any ideas? Does anyone use the PR Wifi attachment? Has anyone fooled around with the Eye-Fi SD cards so that the attachment wouldn't be necessary?

With WiFi would I be able to TELL the device from my Mac that I'm ready to upload?

1. What Wifi attachment? I'm aware of a Bluetooth attachment, but not Wifi. At this point nobody knows what information is sent over Bluetooth, it might be minimal.

2. Eye-Fi cards only send .jpg files unless you get the Pro cards, at which point they also send RAW files. Aside from that, the S1 uses a UDF filesystem on its SD cards, and Eye-Fi is expecting FAT (used by all cameras).

3. In their normal use, Eye-Fi cards will try to send the files to your computer when you turn the camera on. If your computer isn't on, nothing happens. If it is, they transmit.

[Wakanda]

thanks, sawman. appreciate your help.

- i thought i saw a youtube segment on a PR wifi attachment that plugged in the same slot as the modem attachment.

- i didn't know how eye-fi worked. thanks. i will continue to push on this one, though. i'd like to simply mount the PR data on my mac without hauling out the SD Card. it is just so heavy...

- is the autoSV magic? does it fix everything? are you running around now with zeros for ai, hi, and rera's?

wakanda

Machine: PR S1 Auto BiPAP 760P on Bilevel - -
Computer: Mac Mini 10.8.3 - -
SleepyHead: v0.9.2-3 - -

[allen476]

Some simple digging on the internet found.........

http://www.medicaldepartmentstore.com/S ... mapper.htm

It says it works with the SleepMapper app.

But I am just wondering if one were to have bluetooth on a PC if it would transmit everything that is/would have been on the SD card. Then you could theoretically open it with Sleepyhead. The descriptions I found say SleepMapper only displays usage, leak, and AHI.

I wonder who is going to be the first to be the guinea pig. At $99, it might be worth it but I am the wrong person to ask as I only view my data every other month.

But alas everything else (Wi-Fi, Eye-Fi, Magical SD cards that walk to the PC and download themselves every morning, etc.) doesn't work or exist.

[allen476]

- i thought i saw a youtube segment on a PR wifi attachment that plugged in the same slot as the modem attachment.

- i didn't know how eye-fi worked. thanks. i will continue to push on this one, though. i'd like to simply mount the PR data on my mac without hauling out the SD Card. it is just so heavy...

- is the autoSV magic? does it fix everything? are you running around now with zeros for ai, hi, and rera's?

No Wi-Fi attachments.....None that I could find. Only a bluetooth one. That is probably what you saw.

Technically, the data on the SD card is for "physician and therapist use only". It was designed for their use not ours. We know otherwise but we have to live with what they wanted to see in the design of the machine.

The AutoSV is not magic and it doesn't fix everything. It is on the border of a ventilator and costs a fortune. It is mostly for people that suffer from central apneas not obstructive.

[Wakanda]

hi, thanks for your comments.

- 1) SleepMapper is free from PR and tells you nothing. PR, at least, doesn't offer anything to those of us with Macs despite Apple's enormous market successes. Beyond that issue PR should enable each of us web access into Encore just like banks, investment houses, hospitals and govt institutions allow us to access our own database accounts via the web easily and securely.

- 2) drs and dme's are both too busy with their own lives and too disinterested to monitor us. we have to monitor ourselves.

- 3) regarding eye-fi, please note that media servers, disks, dvd's, downloaded packages and a multiplicity of other servers are mountable on our desktops. if a developer was interested an eye-fi sd card could be mountable to our desktops in the same way. once mounted we could copy the data to our drives for importing to our various sleep management software systems.

Machine: PR S1 Auto BiPAP 760P (Bilevel Rise 2) - -
Computer: Mac Mini - OS 10.8.3 - -
SleepyHead: v0.9.2-3 (Data remains incorrect on this build for Macs) - -

[Wakanda]

- We need a software guy since there's plenty of hardware choices out there for WiFi SD Cards.

- Trascend WiFi SD Card has an internet mode and you can mount the card and browse files. That's what we want. However, the file format will need work.

Here's Transcend - http://www.transcend-info.com/products/ ... 20SD%20App

Here's a video that will show you that mounted file selection is possible -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEwHQU8 ... e=youtu.be

- sawinglogz says that PR uses a UDF File System on the SD Cards. He also says Eye-Fi Pro Cards send RAW files.

- Toshiba has a wifi sd card called FlashAir.


Machine: PR S1 Auto BiPAP 760P w Humidifier (Bilevel Rise 2) - -
Computer: Mac Mini - OS 10.8.3 - -
SleepyHead: v0.9.2-3 (Data remains incorrect on this build for Macs) - -

[Drowsy Dancer]

This is all fascinating, but I think for now I will continue to use sneakernet.

[Jay Aitchsee]

Here's a few of the previous threads on the subject that might interest you:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=86656&p=789884&hilit=eye+fi#p789842

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=85073&p=773414&hilit=eye+fi#p773298

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=65540&p=736880&hili ... fi#p611670

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=78904&p=717497&hili ... fi#p717497

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=66168&p=617035&hili ... fi#p617035

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=65540&p=611670&hili ... fi#p611670

[Wakanda]

It looks like a Transcend WiFi SD Card can support the UDF file format that PR uses. It may or may not be that it must be formatted first on your computer. The SD card has an IP Address. Therefore it can be accessed easily from any browser on any computer. Once mounted it may be that you can download all files and probably specific files, such as "last night's data".

I have an email into tech support at Transcend. Unless they tell me 'no' I'll buy one and try it and hopefully post a real answer by next week. Naturally the PR machine might balk at something or other, but I'll let you know.

Here's a Wikipedia paragraph on the "Secure Digital" page.

"
Because the host views the SD card as a block storage device, the card does not require MBR partitions or any specific file system. The card can be reformatted to use any file system the operating system supports. For example:
Under Windows, SD cards can be formatted using NTFS and, on later versions, exFAT.
Under Mac OS X, SD cards can be partitioned as GUID devices and formatted with the HFS Plus file system or still use exFAT.
Under Unix-like operating systems such as Linux or FreeBSD, SD cards can be formatted using the UFS, Ext2, Ext3, Ext4, btrfs, HFS Plus, or ReiserFS file system.

[NOTE:] Any recent version of the above can format SD cards using the UDF file system.
"
Additionally, many users report that all of the reasonable-quality SD or SDHC Cards work in PR machines.
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Machine: PR S1 Auto BiPAP 760P w Humidifier (Bilevel Rise 2) - -
Computer: Mac Mini - OS 10.8.3 - -
SleepyHead: v0.9.2-3 (Data remains very incorrect on this most recent build for Macs) - -

[sawinglogz]

- Trascend WiFi SD Card has an internet mode and you can mount the card and browse files. That's what we want. However, the file format will need work.

Nope, you can't mount it. It provides a web interface. The user's manual suggests that iOS and Android apps can at least see (if not download) non-image files. I couldn't tell whether the web interface allows that. Plus Transcend's response in another thread suggests it won't transfer those files, though that could have changed since then.

- sawinglogz says that PR uses a UDF File System on the SD Cards. He also says Eye-Fi Pro Cards send RAW files.

This is the bigger problem (for PR). The card itself provides the interface to the filesystem, and the card won't understand UDF. Game over.

Besides, your PR needs to be turned on in order to provide power to the SD card. Do you really want to leave your machine blowing while you turn on your laptop and download the files?

The bluetooth attachment seems the most promising, but it's still a long shot, since SleepMapper provides only trivial information.

[-tim]

Eye-fi is no unless you hack the card more than any of the hackers I know on this forum seem to be willing to do.

I would try the PR bluetooth device if I only used the PR.
I would try the Transcend WiFi for a resmed or if I used both.

I have both and still haven't done much with getting sleepyhead and the PR 560 to talk. I haven't even looked much at the s9 spo2 device I also have.

[khauser]

Considerations (as I am one of the previous thread authors):
1) Wi-Fi SD Cards require POWER to connect to. There's zero information on when the card is supplied power.
2) BlueTooth has, generally, a MAXIMUM range of 30 ft (my BlueTooth keyboard sometimes doesn't like 15' if so much as 1 of those feet are blocked by ANYTHING (wood included)
3) As previously noted, we have file system incompatibilities. The Wi-Fi cards I looked at can not be fully formatted (they would lose their ability to be wi-fi cards if you could)
4) I developed a habit. Every Sunday morning I wake up and grab the card. During the day I download the data to my computer. Sunday night I put it back. So far that's been perfect except for one occassion where I totally forgot the card was in my pocket (so now it is a CLEAN card, LOL), and one occassion where I lost a day's waveform data (but SleepyHead didn't notice so who cares?) Note: ResMed users lose more if they don't remember to replace the card.

Another possibility is to get a second card and rotate them. Nothing cares if you do this ... not even compliance checks (SOMEONE please correct me if this is wrong) ... I believe when you insert a card the machine updates the compliance data since the beginning of time, or many many months (whichever is less )

[Wakanda]

thanks for your comments, all.

i'm not too worried about the file system since others are buying sd cards off the street and using them successfully. my mac reads the files just fine. (sleepyhead needs to better format its import routine, however.)

the power issue isn't one i considered though we know that when you toggle the machine that the card definitely gets juice. also remember that 'auto-off' on the PR machines takes a long time to actually turn off. i'll play with that and let you know if i can work it out. who knows, maybe there is a capacitor in one of their better cards. with that said this is the most likely game-killer.

the browser interface should work fine since if they are uploading one or all photos then it might be able to upload one or all of our files. if that is the only remaining problem i'll press the transcend developer to support multiple file types on the upload.

someone mentioned bluetooth in relation to this thread. however, this is wifi so just like your router is satisfied with your phone it might be satisfied with the wifi card; that is, if the thing is using a good-enough component.

yeah, i know this is a compulsive venture that might take lots more effort than just pulling the card from the machine once a week. i feel like a dog unwilling to give up his bone.

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Machine: PR S1 Auto BiPAP 760P w Humidifier (Bilevel Rise 2) - -
Computer: Mac Mini - OS 10.8.3 - -
SleepyHead: v0.9.2-3 (Data remains very incorrect on this most recent build for Macs) - -
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[khauser]

thanks for your comments, all.

i'm not too worried about the file system since others are buying sd cards off the street and using them successfully. my mac reads the files just fine. (sleepyhead needs to better format its import routine, however.)

We weren't worried about the computer side ... it's the xPAP's file system requirements we were addressing.

the power issue isn't one i considered though we know that when you toggle the machine that the card definitely gets juice. also remember that 'auto-off' on the PR machines takes a long time to actually turn off. i'll play with that and let you know if i can work it out. who knows, maybe there is a capacitor in one of their better cards. with that said this is the most likely game-killer.

the browser interface should work fine since if they are uploading one or all photos then it might be able to upload one or all of our files. if that is the only remaining problem i'll press the transcend developer to support multiple file types on the upload.

someone mentioned bluetooth in relation to this thread. however, this is wifi so just like your router is satisfied with your phone it might be satisfied with the wifi card; that is, if the thing is using a good-enough component.

yeah, i know this is a compulsive venture that might take lots more effort than just pulling the card from the machine once a week. i feel like a dog unwilling to give up his bone.

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Machine: PR S1 Auto BiPAP 760P w Humidifier (Bilevel Rise 2) - -
Computer: Mac Mini - OS 10.8.3 - -
SleepyHead: v0.9.2-3 (Data remains very incorrect on this most recent build for Macs) - -
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Let us know how it goes!