Philips Respironics System One question

[cam1]

Hello All!
Well ...finally got my Philips Respironics with the heated hose yesterday. When I brought it home, I coudn't access the 'Text' menu and had the 'Graphic' (icons) display. I called the supplier and they talked me how to change it over the phone but instead of pressing the control knob and ramp button simultaneously in the Set-up mode I was pushing them in the Therapy mode. When I told them it wasn't working (no beep) they said to make sure I was in the Set-up mode. It worked fine then. I was just wondering if I may have possibly reprogrammed or screwed something up when I pushed the buttons in the alternate mode. It seems to work perfectly well and I am very pleased with it.

[Pugsy]

I wouldn't worry...any changes you made in setup mode will over ride any accidental setting changes you may have made in the regular mode. Setup menu choices always over ride the other settings unless you do the other settings changes after exiting setup menu mode.

[cam1]

Ok...
Here's another question for you. Hope someone can help.
Again. on page 10 of the users manual, it has a drop down list of all the items that can be adjusted. The 4th one from the top of the TEXT List is SYSTEM ONE Humidification but does not appear on my machine at all. I checked the clinicians set-up menu as well. Does anyone know if is possibly for earlier models and because mine has the humidifier and heater hose with automatic humidification it may not require it?
Thanks again.
I've tried attaching a copy of page 10 but can't seem to do so.

[cam1]

Ok...
Here's another question for you. Hope someone can help.
Again. on page 10 of the users manual, it has a drop down list of all the items that can be adjusted. The 4th one from the top of the TEXT List is SYSTEM ONE Humidification but does not appear on my machine at all. I checked the clinicians set-up menu as well. Does anyone know if is possibly for earlier models and because mine has the humidifier and heater hose with automatic humidification it may not require it?
Thanks again.
I've tried attaching a copy of page 10 but can't seem to do so.

...in the meantime, I located this post on another site. Is it an accurate assumption?

System One Humidification Setting

by mglcpap » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:39 pm

On the PR System One Series 60 Auto CPAP, I looked around at the settings and noticed in my clinical manual it says you can turn "System One humidification" on or off and that while it is on, the system monitors humidification levels and adjusts as needed. I went into the settings to make sure that setting was on, but I couldn't find the setting on my machine.

After a few minutes, I determined that while I have the heated tube plugged in, there is no option for "System One humidification" on the clinical menu. The only "system one" option I find is the mask resistance setting. Is that because with the heated tube the system one cpap automatically monitors humidity levels and adjusts therefore it isn't an option to turn "System One humidification" on/off while using heated tubing?

I determined that when I unplug the heated tube the "System One humidification" setting shows up in the clinical setup menu and allows me to turn the feature on/off. Though, that makes me wonder if the machine can monitor humidity with a non-heated tube whether it is worth paying $40-$50 more for the heated tube. I guess I'll try both and see which works best for me.

[Pugsy]

I think that System One Humidification On/Off would be something you might see if you didn't have the new heated hose attached and using the heated hose humidification system.

System One Humidification is on the prior models (50 series machines) and when it is on it uses less heat and less water.
It uses a sensor in the machine to determine ambient room humidity and make adjustments from there.
If you didn't have the heated hosed....this would be what you would be using because then it would revert to that method which is the default method.
If you didn't want to use that method then you turn it off and the humidification system reverts back to the old fashioned method which is heat only without using any humidity sensors for the ambient room humidity.

So I suspect you don't see it because you are using the new heated hose method of humidificaiton.

[pikov22]

System One Humidification is on the prior models (50 series machines) and when it is on it uses less heat and less water.

What's on the 60 series?

[Pugsy]

What's on the 60 series?

Mainly the heated hose option to compete with the S9 Climateline heated hose.

Couple of other minor changes...warm up feature I think and mask fit feature. I have never seen a 60 series machine to be able to compare exactly. There might be a couple more minor difference but the main thing was the heated hose capability.

Otherwise it is pretty much like the 50 series...

[pikov22]

What's on the 60 series?

Mainly the heated hose option to compete with the S9 Climateline heated hose.

Couple of other minor changes...warm up feature I think and mask fit feature. I have never seen a 60 series machine to be able to compare exactly. There might be a couple more minor difference but the main thing was the heated hose capability.

Otherwise it is pretty much like the 50 series...

Sorry, I was imprecise.

What does the 60 series have with respect to the humidifier?

[Pugsy]

Sorry, I was imprecise.

What does the 60 series have with respect to the humidifier?

Heated hose and humidity level adjustments via the clinical menu.
The humidifier using the heated hose needs a special lid.
The entire heated hose option requires a different power supply than a non heated hose system.
Also, the heated hose option is only available on the 60 series blower machine.
I can't add the option to my 50 series by getting a heated hose and new power supply...I can't retro fit my PR S1 BiPap model 750 and make it work with the heated hose...sure wish I could.

So you can have a 60 series machine and not use the heated hose option...or you can use the heated hose option but it requires different power supply along with heated hose and different lid.
Just like the S9 machines will work with a regular hose as well as heated hose.

I can make the 60 series function like my 50 series in regards to the humidifier.
I cannot make my 50 series work with the heated hose option stuff though.

[akcpapguy]

Remove the heated tube from the humidifier and look in the setup menu again.

[Sir NoddinOff]

That was a blast from the past to read my old post at the top of this thread. UPDATE: Yup, I'm still using the PR Classic mode humidifier setting on my System One, Series 50 machine - only now it's set on C1 (the lowest setting). Due to rainout in late autumn of last year, I also bought a Hibernite heated hose which I love... they're not cheap but I'm told they last years if you don't crush them and don't yank the hose but use the collar when disassembling. I've also got the hose power supply, which is separate, on a timer that runs for a few hours after I wake up. Therefore no more hanging the hose near a heater vent in the living room; it's just looped over my bedstead and I find its always nice and dry.

[pikov22]

Sorry, I was imprecise.

What does the 60 series have with respect to the humidifier?

I'm getting closer to the actual question I wanted to ask.

Suppose I have a series 60 but no heated hose.

What humidifier options are available to me?

(I know - it takes a long time for me to find out what I want. )

[Pugsy]

Suppose I have a series 60 but no heated hose.

What humidifier options are available to me?

(I know - it takes a long time for me to find out what I want. )

You have the same options as I have on the 50 series machine.
The new fangled System One Humidification system which uses a humidity sensor in the machine as a starting point and will use less water and less heat and less chance of rain out depending on room temp and humidity level chose. I don't like it because my nose gets ice cold.
or
you can turn off the new System One Humidification system and that reverts the humidifier back to simply heat only.
The way we did it for years until this new fancy stuff with heated hoses and sensors and stuff.
This is called Classic mode and there's a C in front of the setting in the clinical menu.

Without the heated hose optional equipment...your machine is going to add moisture just like a 50 series machine does.

Actually, there is one other option...a stand alone heated hose like the Hybernite or Aussie hose but they recommend using the Classic mode when using the Hybernite.

[cam1]

Here is a copy of the page 10 TEXT mode programming indicating the SYSTEM ONE humidification (3rd one down)

Flex-----------------------------1 2 3
Heated Tube humidification---on off
SYSTEM ONE humidification---on off
Humidifier----------------------0 1 2 3 4 5
Humidity level------------------1 2 3
Tube temperature--------------0 1 2 3 4 5
Ramp Time----------------------0:00 - 0:45
Ramp start----------------------4.0 - (CPAP pres)
Tubing type---------------------15 22 15H
SYSTEM ONE resistance--------X1 X2 X3 X4 X5
Auto on--------------------------on off
Auto off--------------------------on off
Mask alert-----------------------on off
Humidifier LED backlight--------on off
Silent mode----------------------on off
Language-------------------------EN DE ES FR IT BR
------------------------------------DK FI NO SW O

[Uncle_Bob]

They couldn't just call it "condensation"????

Thanks.

Condensation can exist even without a rainout event.

rainout is when the condensation builds up to the extent that you get a rainout event i.e face full of water.

The auto humidity settings of these machines first priority is to prevent rainout, temperature and adding more humidity come second.

I can't understand why people would want to use anything other than Automatic humidity if available.