Keeping up with the Jones's

chrisp · Post by **chrisp** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:51 am

Show him this http://www.sleepreviewmag.com/Articles. ... d=S0311F03

And this http://www.sleepreviewmag.com/Articles. ... d=S0207F02

Chris

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:54 am

OK, so I am having a hard time trying to compare apples to apples here.

The PB420E (that's with a humidifier) on cpap.com is $799

The Remstar Plus w/C-Flex with a humidifier is $829

The Resmed Spirit with humidifier is $890

All three come with some kind of software that registers something I guess.

Is this the correct comparision?

This is Really MikeSus · Post by **This is Really MikeSus** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:06 pm

Ok, not all come with the software. With the Remstar it is $200 extra. There is a package for the Spirit with the software as well as the 420e. The Remstar is going to cost more, but it is going to offer you a LOT more. I just ordered a Remstar Cflex Plus with the software, spare filters and an Ultra Mirage FF mask and it came in at around $1200...

captcpap · Post by **captcpap** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:46 pm

MikeSus,

I have the REMstar Auto with CFLEX with the software. The C-flex feature lowers the pressure on exhale making the treatment more tolerable. I don't think you would be disappointed with this machine. But my viewpoint is limited because I haven't tried any other machines.

Take Care ...

UKnowWhatInSeattle · Post by **UKnowWhatInSeattle** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:09 pm

With no evidence to back up my gut feeling, I just find it a little improbable that a few hours in a sleep center can determine "that one number" that is perfect for you. "That one number" was right for those conditions if the techs titrated you correctly. "That one number" is almost certainly better than no therapy.

The human body is pretty squishy and when people's weight, muscle tone, stress level, alcohol consumption, allergy symptoms all fluctuate, "that one number" has just gotta change. APAP technology should be able to adapt to that.

The other APAP advantage is that you can monitor your own therapy in detail if you want to.

All the above comments are me trying to justify the new PB 420E I just received this morning!!!

Breathe On Brothers and Sisters!
Jim

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:44 pm

UKWIS (Jim),

Justify away! you are right on the money with all your points. One top of that if for some reason an auto just doesn't work for you the machine you bought can be switched to a fixed pressure cpap. Try switching a fixed machine to an auto. With one expensive exception , it can't be done.

So you just go ahead and do whatever it is you are doing in Seattle.

derek · Post by **derek** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:37 pm

Hi "This is Really MikeSus",
Did I read your post correctly? You said you ordered a RemStar C-Flex Plus and the software.

Unfortunately the Plus does not come with a Smart Card and there is no software that I know of that will give you any data. Did you mean the Pro or the Auto?

BTW - my Auto just arrived a couple of hours ago. I set it up from 8 - 14 cm with C-Flex at 3. Tried it for 30 mins. What a huge difference from CPAP at 12 cm. Fantastic!

derek

Snorenomore1 · Post by **Snorenomore1** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:16 pm

Ok all, I have read your different arguments and they are very convincing.
Thanks a ton for sharing stuff that never even crossed my mind.

I had never really considered all the things about just a one night sleep study and all the other potential things that could change the outcome of what the pressure "should" be, ie. all those wires attached to us, the excess noise when we were trying to sleep, sleeping on a bed with a mattress that was worn out 5 years ago, etc. etc.

So yes I am about convinced to break down and spend the mega-bucks on a machine that apparently may give me some options.

Mikesus,
You mentioned in an earlier post I could get the 420E for "about $600", yet the link to cpap.com shows the 420E with humidifier at $799. I see cpap.com has the 420E w/out humidifier for $545. Is the only difference between the machines a humdifier and if so, does the humidifier add $265 to the cost?

I never wanted a stinking TV anyway!

By the way, this is Snorenomore, I am a new user but couldn't figure out how to get my name in the Username box.

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:30 pm

Snorenomore,

420E - no software $545

420E - with software $599

420E - with software and heated humidifier $799

Wen · Post by **Wen** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:26 pm

Hi Everyone,
I have used a Remstar Plus for 4 years. I just recently bought the PB 420E mainly because it is so small. Originally I had trouble with it because of mask leaks, the pressure was set from 4-20. My old machine was set at 12.5. I've tweaked the Pb 420 to 8-13.5, I haven't set up the software yet but I am sleeping alot better and my wife has checked the machine in the morning 8.5-10. and I'm having less leaks. So I love the PB 420E and it is so light and compact. Alot more space for junk on my nightstand now! Wen

Mikesus · Post by **Mikesus** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:57 pm

derek wrote:Hi "This is Really MikeSus",
Did I read your post correctly? You said you ordered a RemStar C-Flex Plus and the software.

Unfortunately the Plus does not come with a Smart Card and there is no software that I know of that will give you any data. Did you mean the Pro or the Auto?

BTW - my Auto just arrived a couple of hours ago. I set it up from 8 - 14 cm with C-Flex at 3. Tried it for 30 mins. What a huge difference from CPAP at 12 cm. Fantastic!

derek

Whoops my bad, I left out the PRO

Mikesus · Post by **Mikesus** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:02 pm

Snorenomore1 wrote:Ok all, I have read your different arguments and they are very convincing.
Thanks a ton for sharing stuff that never even crossed my mind.

I had never really considered all the things about just a one night sleep study and all the other potential things that could change the outcome of what the pressure "should" be, ie. all those wires attached to us, the excess noise when we were trying to sleep, sleeping on a bed with a mattress that was worn out 5 years ago, etc. etc.

So yes I am about convinced to break down and spend the mega-bucks on a machine that apparently may give me some options.

Mikesus,
You mentioned in an earlier post I could get the 420E for "about $600", yet the link to cpap.com shows the 420E with humidifier at $799. I see cpap.com has the 420E w/out humidifier for $545. Is the only difference between the machines a humdifier and if so, does the humidifier add $265 to the cost?

I never wanted a stinking TV anyway!

By the way, this is Snorenomore, I am a new user but couldn't figure out how to get my name in the Username box.

Sorry, with the Software w/o the humidifier its $639. Personally, I wholeheartedly suggest The Remstar Pro Auto w/Cflex and Humidifier. I set it up this evening and the Cflex is amazing! It feels like it drops the pressure completely when you exhale. I sat for an hour playing with it and my wife leaned over and asked "when are you going to turn it on" So it even passed the quiet test!

Wen · Post by **Wen** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:19 pm

Hi My Pb 420E with software from CPAP.com was $599, the heated humidifier is around $200. The PB is very quiet also and with the lower pressure I decided I did not need the C-flex . The Remstar is so much larger, but of course I'm used to 12.5. I travel alot so size was extremely important. Wen

Sleeping With The Enemy · Post by **Sleeping With The Enemy** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:31 am

My sleep study at the hospital said that I needed pressure set at 8. Went to DMES and they set me up on an Auto Spirit, my pressure over 12 days was closer to 12.4. Just goes to show you that the sleep study pressure isn't always right.

I now have the Remstar Auto with C-Flex--it is heavenly!! No Lie!! I've also been trying the Swift with Large Pillows--SLEEPING LIKE A BIG, HAPPY BABY!!

GOOD LUCK IN YOUR DECISION, hope you make the most comfortable one!

Snorenomore1 · Post by **Snorenomore1** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:54 am

I am leaning toward the PB420 for three reasons-

1. I looked up the PB website and they sell, make or service them in several neighbooring cities out here in California. If I have a problem with the machine, I should be able to get it serviced quicker(?) My understanding is the Remstar is made overseas somewhere and therefore getting it serviced may take a long time?

2. The price for the whole thing with the software is at least $200 less than the C-Flex Remstar Pro with humidifier.

3. The size is compact and will fit on my nightstand better.

As far as ease of use goes, that is something I would like to know about if anyone has any info on that.

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