Windpipe Stent??

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Windpipe Stent??

Post by NJDav » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:03 am

Having a discussion with a friend that had recently had some heart problems, we got on to health in general and he asked if my OSA was cured yet, I laughed. Further on to the discussion we both wondered if it would be possible to have a stent fitted in the part of the windpipe that collapses cause the OSA. Anyone heard of this, is it a possible 'fix'

Just interested in what you guys think/know.

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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by Goofproof » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:48 am

You could use a length of 1 inch pipe, but then you wouldnt be able to nod yes about anything. Jim
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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by Todzo » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:31 am

NJDav wrote:Having a discussion with a friend that had recently had some heart problems, we got on to health in general and he asked if my OSA was cured yet, I laughed. Further on to the discussion we both wondered if it would be possible to have a stent fitted in the part of the windpipe that collapses cause the OSA. Anyone heard of this, is it a possible 'fix'

Just interested in what you guys think/know.
Hi NJDav!

Yes - I too have been thinking that for years.

The Pillar procedure might be considered a very crude from or this.

The problems with nerves (e.g. gag reflex) - need for cleaning by villi and mucus - well there are some problems.

Right now I am taking "the other route". I am eating Kimchi - good bugs - oh yea. Seems to reduce inflammation.

I do not think that the pressure of CPAP pushes the tissue aside to splint the airway, I think the high pressure area in the airway makes it easier for the blood and other fluids to be elseware in the body so the tissues shrink. Over the years I have found that things that reduce inflammation reduce AHI.

Keep thinking!!

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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by quietmorning » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:54 am

I honestly don't think they are too far away from it. With 3D printing and the ability to grow new organs from the patient's own cells, they could use the 3D printing to make a flexible 'cage' with the patient's own tissue. Science just needs to connect the dots.

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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by NotLazyJustTired » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:39 am

I have actually pondered this myself. I guess if it was doable, somebody would have done it by now. But I agree with quietmorning, Science never stops and there is hope for such a concept yet, I am sure.

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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by BlackSpinner » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:40 am

NJDav wrote:Having a discussion with a friend that had recently had some heart problems, we got on to health in general and he asked if my OSA was cured yet, I laughed. Further on to the discussion we both wondered if it would be possible to have a stent fitted in the part of the windpipe that collapses cause the OSA. Anyone heard of this, is it a possible 'fix'

Just interested in what you guys think/know.
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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by cosmo » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:45 am

I wonder if a tracheostomy would work

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Post by Wulfman... » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:01 am

NJDav wrote:Having a discussion with a friend that had recently had some heart problems, we got on to health in general and he asked if my OSA was cured yet, I laughed. Further on to the discussion we both wondered if it would be possible to have a stent fitted in the part of the windpipe that collapses cause the OSA. Anyone heard of this, is it a possible 'fix'

Just interested in what you guys think/know.
What makes you think that it's caused by a "windpipe collapse"?
It could very well be that the problem is in the nasal passages (enlarged turbinates and/or deviated septum) and you can't breathe through you nose.......then, when you try to breathe through your mouth, your tongue falls back into your throat and restricts/obstructs your air intake.

Then there's the other possibility of Central Sleep Apnea.......which is essentially a neurological problem.

Too many generalizations about this condition and therapies.

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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by ChicagoGranny » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:01 am

NJDav wrote:... if it would be possible to have a stent fitted in the part of the windpipe that collapses cause the OSA. ...

Goofproof forgot about flexible pipe - you can nod "Yes".

What you are speaking of is already available and used in a few cases.

http://myplace.frontier.com/~jnozum/Trach/Methods.htm

Just scroll down to "nasal trumpet".

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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by Julie » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:45 am

A nose cured of septal deviation or other problems will not cure apnea, which is the blockage of your airway by tissue that's collapsed in that area for various reasons, both anatomic and/or failure of neurological impulses (as in central apnea). Your snoring might be cured by that surgery, but not apnea.
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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by Todzo » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:42 pm

In general I think the idea looks to much at the symptom and so looses sight of the systems involved.

I know that if they laugh at your idea it is likely good. What it means when they toss gross pictures at is I do not know - but - shame on them for that.
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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by ChicagoGranny » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:55 pm

Todzo wrote: What it means when they toss gross pictures at is I do not know - but - shame on them for that.
Coincidentally, the man has an eye injury. He is one of the few using a nasal trumpet that would agree to have his photograph used.

I don't think it is usual for you to call people with injuries and disabilities "gross".
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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by Loreena » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:59 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Todzo wrote: What it means when they toss gross pictures at is I do not know - but - shame on them for that.
Coincidentally, the man has an eye injury. He is one of the few using a nasal trumpet that would agree to have his photograph used.

I don't think it is usual for you to call people with injuries and disabilities "gross".
Stop....please....I can't stop laughing....

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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by ChicagoGranny » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:05 pm

Loreena wrote:
Stop....please....I can't stop laughing....

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Re: Windpipe Stent??

Post by Todzo » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:48 pm

Considering all the laughing and persecution as well as the fact that technology can likely get past the problems perhaps it is a good idea indeed.
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