Difference in Data between Sleepy Head and Encore Basic-

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Re: Difference in Data between Sleepy Head and Encore Basic-

Post by Pugsy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:43 am

tqpannie wrote: The AHI defintely doesn't match.
Nothing matches...Leak line doesn't match. Also in the future when you show your Encore reports could you include the pressure line? I can't see the pressure line on your Encore report but I am betting it doesn't match SleepyHead's pressure line either.
Unless you are using cpap mode... on the bilevel.
There should be 2 pressure lines showing on sleepyHead unless using cpap mode and if using auto mode the pressure line should vary and show some test probes.

For right now...SleepyHead is not accurate in its calculations for your machine. SH is pretty much useless for you right now with the patch.
I have not heard from any other 60 Series BiPap users who are using SleepyHead with the patch.

I know some 60 series APAP/CPAP machine users are using the patched SH version and no one has mentioned a problem with the data comparisons. I guess I need to try to get some confirmation for those users that things are working well and maybe try to find another 60 series BiPap user to test the patched SH. My machine is the 750 and not 760 so we can't compare anything. I need a 760 machine (or 660) to test my patched SH version and I don't have one and don't have the money to go buying one yet....

So anyone out there reading this that has a 60 series BiPap machine (either the PR S1 BiPap Pro or PR S1 BiPap Auto) could you please give the Patch for SleepyHead a try to see what you get.
I know not many 60 series BiPaps are out there. They haven't been released all that long.

I am going to start a thread about this potential bug in SH shortly.

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Post by Burkebang » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:46 am

Pugsy wrote:That's good to hear. I have never had the chance to try a Devilbiss machine so I don't know how I would do with it.
Started my cpap therapy with Respironics APAP back in 2009. Never used a Resmed machine until I got the S9 VPAP either.
So I haven't used the APAP in that brand. I did try CPAP mode in the VPAP though. I could do some fiddling with the S9 bilevel pressures and come with a sort of APAP function but since I really like the dual pressures I just haven't wanted to dumb it down to APAP. There isn't an APAP mode option on the VPAP..just the cpap mode and the 2 bilevel modes.

I did well with the VPAP auto mode though. Maybe my REM dependent OSA likes the rather rapid response. My pressures have always been rather wild depending on my REM sleep. Even with the Respironics machines in the past. For me I do well with either algorithm it seems but I can sure understand that others might have a better result with one brand over another. Most people here in the US don't ever get a chance to try both brands. They get one brand of APAP and that's it. Here in the US we have to fight for APAP over CPAP much less get to try different brands. It just doesn't happen unless we buy something ourselves.

I have both brands of bilevels. Pretty much a toss up which one I prefer. Both have minor pros and cons and differences but for me none are deal breakers. Since my PR S1 BiPap is the non heated hose model the VPAP heated hose is a definite plus in the wintertime. I sold my Hybernite last summer to someone in Australia where it was winter.
So this winter I will either use the VPAP or get another Hybernite. I will probably just use the VPAP since I like it just as well. Probably once the 60 series BiPaps filter down to the secondary market I will get the new machine urge and buy one since I am a known "papaholoic". All my machines have to be my own out of pocket purchase so I have to go the el cheapo route.
I would think that the detection and response algorithms are mostly the same on the bilevel machines and APAP's. So I think your experiences with your automatic bilevel machines would be very similar with the APAP's, just with a higher exhale pressure.

It's a pity that people can't get to try different brands more, because for me, there was big differences. Specially when I went from the IntelliPAP to the S9. I hate the thought that people may be dropping their therapy when another machine might be all that's needed to make the therapy tolerable for them. All the machines I have tried have one thing in common, they all kept my O2 sat perfect. They just do it differently. I think that for someone with severe sleep apnea, the very hyper algorithm of the S9 is a good thing. But for someone like me with moderate SA, the PRS1 and IntelliPAP would be better choices.

When new users reads this forum, they quickly get the impression that the S9 Autoset is the "holy grail", the Rolls Royce, the only thing to get. I know I did. But I did not find this to be true at all for me. XPAP machines should be the same as masks, that you get to try different machines for 30 days before making a final choice. I also recommend the IntelliPAP to all people that are paying out of pocket, it's a very good machine with the best warranty and definatly the most bang for our "burkes" In my experience the IntelliPAP is also the machine that people most likely would not have any problems with as the algorithm is very well behaved.

Devilbiss also makes an automatic bilevel machine now, so you have the chance to try the AutoAdjust algorithm if you wish. Wouldn't that be a much more interesting thing to try for a "papaholic" than the PRS1 60 series ?

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Re: Difference in Data between Sleepy Head and Encore Basic-

Post by Pugsy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:58 am

Burkebang wrote:Devilbiss also makes an automatic bilevel machine now, so you have the chance to try the AutoAdjust algorithm if you wish. Wouldn't that be a much more interesting thing to try for a "papaholic" than the PRS1 60 series ?
It might make more sense but it is unlikely that I will ever be able to do it.
I have to go the secondary black market for my bilevel machines. Can't afford online prices at all not to mention that little thing about RX for bilevel being required. Champagne taste and beer pocketbook thing. Devillbiss bilevels are in the extreme minority here in the US. Chances of finding one on the secondary market slim to none. They just aren't dispensed all that much in the US. I have to shop craigslist and I rarely see anything in the Devilbiss line unless it is an antique.

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Re: Difference in Data between Sleepy Head and Encore Basic-

Post by cflame1 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:17 pm

Annie,
Do you actually have a bipap pro (in your signature) or a bipap auto (what sleepyhead is showing)?

Difference between the 2 is that one has just 2 numbers, one for an inhale pressure and one for pressure. Those are constant numbers. The other still has 2 numbers, but it can move within a range. That's why the pressure numbers are important.

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Post by Pugsy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:31 pm

cflame1 wrote: Do you actually have a bipap pro (in your signature) or a bipap auto (what sleepyhead is showing)?
In another thread she says she has a model 760 machine.

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Post by tqpannie » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:47 pm

Okay I have pulled out my owners manual that came with the machine.

It is a Phillips respronics BiPap Auto System 1 P 760

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Re: Difference in Data between Sleepy Head and Encore Basic-

Post by scbeaver » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:33 pm

I just got the PRS1 60 Series Auto ( NOT the BiPap) and the MAX difference in AHI is 0.04 between EB and SH. The only problem I have seen (6 days) is that one day the pressure graph had no scale and was inverted. Maybe the OP got a bad download of the patch.

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Post by tqpannie » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:50 pm

Actually they determined in another thread what my system one model is plus the humdifier. I have updated my equipment. Sorry to be such a pain.

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Re: Difference in Data between Sleepy Head and Encore Basic-

Post by Pugsy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:57 pm

scbeaver wrote:I just got the PRS1 60 Series Auto ( NOT the BiPap) and the MAX difference in AHI is 0.04 between EB and SH. The only problem I have seen (6 days) is that one day the pressure graph had no scale and was inverted. Maybe the OP got a bad download of the patch.
Thanks Steve. A 0.04 difference is probably a rounding up or down difference and we can live with that. So APAP/CPAP 60 series machines are likely okay with the patched SH. I know of several people using it and figured we would have heard from them for sure.

There aren't many 60 series BiPaps in use right now among forum members. Might be a problem just with the BiPaps or might be isolated case here. We need more 60 series BiPap users to try the patched SH to have a better idea what is going on. I know of one member for sure but she isn't real active on the forum. Haven't seen her for a while but will drop her a note and see if she will test SH and the patch for us.

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Re: Difference in Data between Sleepy Head and Encore Basic-

Post by jules » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:41 pm

go to the events page in SH - daily then events and open up some of the items and post a screen shot - like this


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Post by tqpannie » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:11 pm

jules wrote:go to the events page in SH - daily then events and open up some of the items and post a screen shot - like this
It doesn't give me the drop downs. I think I'm going to completely uninstall and then reinstall. Then I will redo the patch and install again.

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Re: Difference in Data between Sleepy Head and Encore Basic-

Post by archangle » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:31 pm

tqpannie wrote:
jules wrote:go to the events page in SH - daily then events and open up some of the items and post a screen shot - like this
It doesn't give me the drop downs. I think I'm going to completely uninstall and then reinstall. Then I will redo the patch and install again.
Yes, that looks just broke.

Be sure to

1) Install SH using "run as administrator."
2) Let it do the automatic update.
3) Apply the patch.
4) Create a new user when you start SH.

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Post by Pugsy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:38 pm

Add to Archangle's list...manually remove the SleepApp folder that SleepyHead puts in MyDocuments.
It is untouched by the uninstall process.

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Post by tqpannie » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:52 pm

I will do this with the Windows computer tomorrow. I am on my Mac right now and I'm afraid to use the Card reader because I've read mac inserts a line and I'm not tech savy enough on Mac to be able to resolve issues like I am on PC.

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