Went the Orthodontic Route

[Julie]

Can you explain how you think scoliosis was caused by removal of molars? Thank you.

[CatherineF]

Can you explain how you think scoliosis was caused by having two molars removed? Thank you.

Google class II bite scoliosis. When I was 16 I had those teeth removed, my deep bite wasn't fixed, evereything was pushed backwards and upper jaw was narrowed causing even bigger retrusion of the lower jaw.

[chunkyfrog]

The only link I find is to ONE dental practice.
Odd there is no institutional reference.

[Julie]

Wow, thank you! I asked because while it did seem like such a stretch, I also have had issues around both things and now I can understand (sort of ). Really something to think about!

[CatherineF]

The only link I find is to ONE dental practice.
Odd there is no institutional reference.

There is also an article written by dr Raymond Silkman "Is it mental or is it dental", there are articles written by dr John Mew about the impact of bad orthodonthia on the entire body, there is also this article: http://fibrofriends.typepad.com/fibro_f ... mic-b.html, this woman was also badly hurt by orthodontists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSFOpIPisXE, there is also a site called face-focused. Putting this together you can draw very clear conclusions and I am in this subject for 2 years now.

[sylvie]

There’s more than enough information on the net from doctors, articles, books, videos, and the like, on the link between bad orthodontia and sleep apnea and scoliosis also (from ccarieb’s video that you posted), as well as testimony from every dentist I have seen that my childhood orthodontia is linked to my sleep apnea. When you have the American Sleep Apnea Association website denying the link (See “Family OSA” on this board), is it any wonder that orthodontists are allowed to continue their barbarity? I’m predicting that within 5 to 10 years, there will be a flood of litigation against these corrupt orthodontists, who still practice extraction orthodontics in the face of overwhelming evidence that this practice causes sleep apnea. In the 1970s, when I underwent bicuspid extractions and braces, the Internet was not available, so my parents had no way of knowing that these dental practices were harmful to children. Plus, at that time the dental community did not know that it was harmful. Now they do. And still extraction orthodontics is allowed to proceed to unwaring victims. As one dentist said, it will only be until the victims of extraction orthodontics rise up and express their outrage over what was done to them, will orthodontists be compelled to stop extraction orthodontics.

[ChicagoGranny]

I’m predicting that within 5 to 10 years, there will be a flood of litigation against these corrupt orthodontists,

Why not start now?

[sylvie]

I’m predicting that within 5 to 10 years, there will be a flood of litigation against these corrupt orthodontists,

Why not start now?

In the UK, they are much more organized than the U.S. (See Orthodontic Outrage article: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/21288.php). Orthodontics worldwide is an unregulated industry, and this is how they are able to continue with their mutilatory practices, coupled with the fact that they band around and protect and cover for each other (see OO article).

Orthodontic Outrage’s website is here: http://www.orthodontic-outrage.com/. Note the Legal Advice tab at the top of the page, which explains what you need to litigate, such as before-and-after pictures of extractions and braces. Extraction orthodontics not only makes sleep apnea much more likely, it causes facial deformations, as noted extensively under my tab “Family OSA” as well as your own research on the Internet. Since my bad orthodontia happened in the ‘70s, when it was not known about the profound negative effects extraction orthodontics causes, I have no hope of litigation. Of that time period, the best victims can do now is to make known this terrible dental practice on the Internet, especially the videos like ccarrieb has posted on Youtube. However, I’m sure litigation is taking place now in the U.S. as well as all parts of the world. I only see litigation increasing in years to come, as more victims come forth with their testimonies and they begin to impact on law makers.

[Janknitz]

When I was getting opinions for my daughter's orthodontia, several of the orthodontists we consulted said that they were going to have to extract teeth to "make room" in her mouth. Still, in this day and age!

Three things impressed me about the orthodontist we ultimately chose:

1. Other dentists in town recommended him becuase he was trained in South Africa, and they explained that there is much more emphasis on skeletal growth and development in the orthodontics training programs there.
2. One of the first things he told me is that he does NOT recommend tooth extraction to make room in a narrow palate.
3. He does not put in the type of palate expander that goes in the roof of the mouth and has to be adjusted regularly. He said that it's important to have natural movements of the tongue during talking and swallowing help to push the teeth apart--the Damon system he uses goes only on the OUTER surfaces of the teeth.

I had four teeth removed and everything pushed WAY back when I was a kid. I'm sure my narrow airway is the result. Who knew back then?

[zoocrewphoto]

What is the normal method of making room for teeth now? My mouth has always been small, so I cannot imagine how my mouth could have been made bigger to house my teeth. My mom has crowded teeth, never removed, and her throat is fine for taking pills and no asthma (I struggle with both). But she has sleep apnea too.

[Janknitz]

What is the normal method of making room for teeth now? My mouth has always been small, so I cannot imagine how my mouth could have been made bigger to house my teeth.

They use some form of orthodontic palate expander--either the one I described above or one that pushes the dental arches apart from the roof of the mouth--it has a little gear that's turned incrementally every day to widen the palate (not sure how they do the bottom teeth with that method). Bone will actually remodel and expand. Obviously this works better on kids than adults, but my daughter's orthodontist says that he treats adults as well.

It was interesting looking at my daughter's X-rays before the first round of palate expansion. She had adult teeth ready to come in but with no room to go. There were fully formed teeth sitting deep in her gums, up by her NOSE! When they made room with the orthodontia, she lost more baby teeth and the adult teeth slid right into place. I remember when I was that age, my adult teeth eventually came down on top of baby teeth that were too tight to drop out, and the adult teeth were twisted at weird angles until orthodontia.

[zoocrewphoto]

Interesting. I didn't get braces until I was 16. It sounds more painful that just moving the teeth. I suppose if I knew then what I know now, that might have been the thing to do. My airway was always small, even as a kid. I was diagnosed with asthma at 17 due to a small airway.

[Janknitz]

My daughter has a very high pain tolerance, so she's not a good gauge, but she never complained of pain with the Damon system. She said her teeth felt "funny", especially when eating hot food or drinking hot liquids, because heat "activates" the wires to some degree.

She is uncomfortable in the Herbst appliance, but that's because there's friction against the delicate tissue inside her cheeks. She has a hard time chewing with that appliance, too--she has to cut her meat really small and certain things are just difficult to eat.

[chunkyfrog]

My bicuspids were removed in the early 60's by my dentist, without consulting with my orthodontist.
The orthodontist said it was a shame, because he could have made room for them.
Imagine my beautiful jaw now!

[ChicagoGranny]

Imagine my beautiful jaw now!

Imagine no CPAP on the nightstand.