What you MUST do first before trying to lose weight

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:42 pm

I am so grateful to read the comments here.
You are preaching to the choir.
Does this robe make me look rested?

BlackSpinner · Post by **BlackSpinner** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:45 pm

NachtWürger wrote:Janknitz seems to be getting this discussion going in the proper direction.

Earlier posts talked about "emotions" and seemed to be saying personality is a big driving factor in obesity. I believe this is an incorrect view and a dangerous view. Dangerous because it blames the "patient" for something they did not cause and tends to get them doing things that will fail. After all the title of this thread is "What you MUST do first before trying to lose weight".

Emotions are not character. Emotions are due to life's challenges. You can have a great strong character and still get hit by the bus of emotions watching your parent die and your kid battle depression due to thyroid problems, while having undiagnosed sleep apnea. So yes I ate because I was tired and I ate to keep life at bay and went from being 120 lbs to 165lbs in 3 years. Nothing to do with "character". Unless you think character is to repress all emotions.

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:00 pm

NachtWürger wrote:
Earlier posts talked about "emotions" and seemed to be saying personality is a big driving factor in obesity.

Emotions is one thing while personality is quite another... although
the two are connected.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/weight-loss/MH00025

...there is a plethora of other reading out there on the subject
matter along with some LIVE examples right here in the forum
that have experience that.

I gather you've not experienced emotional food consumption.

This is one of the main reasons support groups such as this one...

http://www.tops.org

...exist for people to gather than help each other.

No one here is blaming the "patient"... in fact... we are all here to
support each other mainly with apnea and other related issues such
as achieving and maintaining correct body weight.

Therapist · Post by **Therapist** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:35 pm

Paul56 wrote:
No one here is blaming the "patient"... in fact... we are all here to
support each other mainly with apnea and other related issues such
as achieving and maintaining correct body weight.

Oh honey Paul, you have so overlooked what is going on in this thread:

Kairosgrammy wrote:
my will power isn't too nifty
too tired to care
I eat compulsively when I'm tired, upset, stressed, bored, upset, stressed
I'm trying harder right
Still need to get better about exercise
it's not about hunger. It's about emotions and baggage etc.
I was strictly a stress smoker
I'm a very emotional eater.

This is a woman totally strung out on guilty emotions about her obesity and general health.

Sweet Kairosgrammy you are the epitome of a woman who is beating herself up emotionally because you think your obesity is your personal failure. Read Dr. Park's thread carefully. You have been fed bad info about what causes obesity.

Get that SleepyHead software working and see if your CPAP therapy is working well. Once you get it working well and practice good sleep hygiene then you can start working on weight loss.

Go back and read the first link that Nightmonkey posted. Try to understand how it applies to your situation. If you have sleep apnea you did not develop it recently. You have had it for years and it has caused you big problems without you or your doctor knowing it.

Shed the guilt and work on CPAP and sleep hygiene.

I see already that these people will help you.

BlackSpinner · Post by **BlackSpinner** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:41 pm

Therapist wrote:
Paul56 wrote:
No one here is blaming the "patient"... in fact... we are all here to
support each other mainly with apnea and other related issues such
as achieving and maintaining correct body weight.

Oh honey Paul, you have so overlooked what is going on in this thread:

Kairosgrammy wrote:
my will power isn't too nifty
...
This is a woman totally strung out on guilty emotions about her obesity and general health.

Ummm you may want to read the thread again...
And these saccharine phoney phrases really won't help anyone, especially not someone who as done all their home work already.

Therapist · Post by **Therapist** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:52 pm

Do you care to address any of this:

Kairosgrammy wrote:
my will power isn't too nifty
too tired to care
I eat compulsively when I'm tired, upset, stressed, bored, upset, stressed
I'm trying harder right
Still need to get better about exercise
it's not about hunger. It's about emotions and baggage etc.
I was strictly a stress smoker
I'm a very emotional eater.

That is a woman who is beating herself up with guilty emotions.

Kairosgrammy · Post by **Kairosgrammy** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:24 pm

Therapist wrote:
Paul56 wrote:
Sweet Kairosgrammy you are the epitome of a woman who is beating herself up emotionally because you think your obesity is your personal failure. Read Dr. Park's thread carefully. You have been fed bad info about what causes obesity.

What causes obesity is eating more calories than then you burn. I did that all by myself. Nobody shoved the food in my mouth and forced me to swallow it. It is my responsibility. Do I have a lousy self image probably. There's too many people running around saying it's not my fault. If I don't accept responsibility I can't change it either. What I said was aimed at people who look at overweight people without understanding why we are overweight. I have walked in both pairs of shoes. I've been underweight and couldn't understand why my sister and brothers were compulsive eaters. I understand a lot more and I also saw them die of obesity related illnesses. We all deal with stress differently. I unfortunately deal with it by eating too much. I need to learn how to deal with stress in other ways then shoving food in my mouth. I don't need sweet kairosgrammies or platitudes. I don't need to have my responsibility removed. I do need this forum's support and I do need to be more knowledgeable. I doubt I'll be free of sleep apnea but I can heal and get better. I can be healthier. I'm not really trying to be ugly or critical but I just don't buy into what you are trying to say and I certainly don't want to be analyzed.

BlackSpinner · Post by **BlackSpinner** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:30 pm

Therapist wrote:Do you care to address any of this:

Kairosgrammy wrote:
my will power isn't too nifty
....
I'm a very emotional eater.
That is a woman who is beating herself up with guilty emotions.

No she isn't. She is a woman who knows her issues and is dealing with them. Big difference. If she asks for your help you can be all phoney smarmy over her.

roc@different_puter · Post by **roc@different_puter** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:37 am

Kairosgrammy wrote:
What causes obesity is eating more calories than then you burn.

I did that all by myself.

Not exactly.

You likely had help.

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The two hidden causes of obesity, imho, are Sleep and Salt.

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SLEEP:

Lack of refreshing sleep causes so many problems, in so many ways, it's impossible to list them all.

But messing with your hormones and destroying your impulse control are likely suspects amongst a literal constellation of bad actors.

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SALT:

An appetite propellant, it is added to damn near everything. Even ice cream.

http://www.annecollins.com/sodium_diet/ ... -cream.htm

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It flushes water from every cell in your body, with disastrous long-term consequences.

And it makes you thirsty. Which, when you are exhausted from lack of refreshing sleep, will seem like hunger.

This isn't an accident.

The food industry has infinite inventory, and always wants you to eat more.

By any means necessary.

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Kairosgrammy · Post by **Kairosgrammy** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:42 am

Thank you. I think you said it better than I did. Therapist needs to come here as someone who needs help with sleep apnea who needs support, not as someone who thinks its her job to counsel us or analyze us. I really think I might be more ticked with her than I thought.

BlackSpinner wrote:
Therapist wrote:Do you care to address any of this:

Kairosgrammy wrote:
my will power isn't too nifty
....
I'm a very emotional eater.
That is a woman who is beating herself up with guilty emotions.
No she isn't. She is a woman who knows her issues and is dealing with them. Big difference. If she asks for your help you can be all phoney smarmy over her.

Kairosgrammy · Post by **Kairosgrammy** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:54 am

LOL, don't take my salt away. I'm not saying that other health issues haven't contributed and I know that I'm in the process of healing. Right now I am eating better most of the time. I need to exercise also. But honestly, if we make excuses and we say it's not our fault and we don't take responsibility how can we possible change and heal. You have to know what the problem is before you can fix it. I do have the choice to change where I am but it is my choice and my responsibility. I can choose not to and with me, that's a real possibility.

I've had a very stressful 3 years, hit by a tornado, my brother died, nephew in a horrid accident (he's fine now and so proud that he overcame all that he went through), I'm learning to live with arthritis, had major surgery on my neck (4 herniated discs and on top of all those personal things, you top it off with a stressful job and sleep apnea that has gotten worse and not been acknowledged and yes, you have the formula for stress eating and weight gain. That does not absolve me from responsibility. I still say you can't change a thing if you play victim to yourself.

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roc@different_puter wrote:
Kairosgrammy wrote:
What causes obesity is eating more calories than then you burn.

I did that all by myself.

Not exactly.

You likely had help.

.
____________________________________________________
.

The two hidden causes of obesity, imho, are Sleep and Salt.

.
____________________________________________________
.

SLEEP:

Lack of refreshing sleep causes so many problems, in so many ways, it's impossible to list them all.

But messing with your hormones and destroying your impulse control are likely suspects amongst a literal constellation of bad actors.

.
____________________________________________________
.

SALT:

An appetite propellant, it is added to damn near everything. Even ice cream.

http://www.annecollins.com/sodium_diet/ ... -cream.htm

.

It flushes water from every cell in your body, with disastrous long-term consequences.

And it makes you thirsty. Which, when you are exhausted from lack of refreshing sleep, will seem like hunger.

This isn't an accident.

The food industry has infinite inventory, and always wants you to eat more.

By any means necessary.

.

roc@different_puter · Post by **roc@different_puter** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:03 am

Kairosgrammy wrote: I still say you can't change a thing if you play victim to yourself.

Of course.

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:24 am

roc@different_puter wrote: It flushes water from every cell in your body, with disastrous long-term consequences.

Actually salt causes water retention in the body which can contribute to high blood pressure,
swelling and weight gain.

Reducing sodium intake to 1500 mg daily or less (even better) will have a positive effect on
weight loss and high blood pressure issues.

The effects can be quite dramatic of too much salt intake.

Janknitz · Post by **Janknitz** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:39 am

EVERY bite of food you put in your mouth you did "to yourself" but that Does not mean that you weren't driven and compelled by more than the stress you're dealing with. Hunger is mostly physiological. When you are on that blood sugar roller coaster, the hunger and distress ate overwhelming.

I was sickened by watching one of those extreme weightloss shows. The poor guy weighed over 400 lbs. with at least 4 hours of exercise a day and 24 hour coaching plus a low cal diet, lost 150 lbs in 3 months, but soon started regaining just as rapidly. His "healthy" new diet was almost all carbs, no fat. He was doomed to fail from the start on that diet for the reasons I stated above--he was compelled to eat to try to keep his blood sugar from dipping and diving.

This was not emotional eating or "food addiction" as the show's coach deemed it. This guy was in physiological distress.

My stress levels remain the same (it's been a rough year!) but my hunger and constant urge to eat have GONE AWAY. Completely!

Kairosgrammy · Post by **Kairosgrammy** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:52 am

Okay, folks, leave Lynn's salt alone. I have been a salt freak all my life. My mother said I'd sneak the salt shaker off the table, pour it my hand and eat it by itself. I love my food salty. I have tried to salt less but I don't know. It's possible I'm a curable salt freak. I do know it's good advice. I guess as I travel along my path to better health, I will eventually get that more under control. One thing at a time. *sigh*

Oh, I can't find my salt shaker at home. Maybe that's the Lord trying to tell me something. Do you know how hard it is to salt your food from the container salt comes in?

Paul56 wrote:
roc@different_puter wrote: It flushes water from every cell in your body, with disastrous long-term consequences.
Actually salt causes water retention in the body which can contribute to high blood pressure,
swelling and weight gain.

Reducing sodium intake to 1500 mg daily or less (even better) will have a positive effect on
weight loss and high blood pressure issues.

The effects can be quite dramatic of too much salt intake.

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