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explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by mgrunk » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:41 pm

I am having trouble understanding the scales on the graphs for the SmartLink Software:

AHI - what is the vertical scale measuring? It says Length of AHI - but for hyponeas (that's most of my issues) they begin to be measured at 10 seconds.

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Pressure - I understand - I have a range of 5 - 10

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Leaks - is is the volume of the leak?

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Events - I don't know at all if where the dot is means anything other than the frequency of the events - oh wait, I see now the ASHEL - means apneas, snores, etc - so if it were black and white, you could still see what event it was:

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FWIW, most nights it seems like the event starts and the pressure ramps up and the mask can't handle the higher flow rate (sleepweaver mask) - but in general my events are under 4. So, last night was unusual - I rarely have apnea's or NRI's.
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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by Pugsy » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:20 pm

Giving this a bump for Emelia to see.
AHI graph I don't understand either.

Leak graph.. L/Min Liters per Min I think there is a generous leak allowance of 90 to 95 L/min before they say the machine cannot do a good job of compensating for the leak. You got close a couple of times and they were short lived so for the most part your leak is quite acceptable.

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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by robysue » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:52 pm

mgrunk wrote:I am having trouble understanding the scales on the graphs for the SmartLink Software:

AHI - what is the vertical scale measuring? It says Length of AHI - but for hyponeas (that's most of my issues) they begin to be measured at 10 seconds.

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I think you're misreading the vertical axis. But I also have to admit that as a mathematician, this graph doesn't seem in sync with the data presented later on in the Events graph. Typically the AHI is the average number of apneas+hypopneas that occur in one hour of time the machine is running. In other words, the overnight AHI is computed as follows:

AHI = (total number of events)/(time machine ran in hours)

For PR machines, like the one I use, there's no such thing as an AHI graph. For Resmed machines, the AHI graph measures the "number of events since the top of the hour"---i.e. on the Resmed graphs, the AHI is reset to zero at the beginning of every clock hour. Hence it gives you a visual of how many events occurred each hour during the night. It appears that this AHI graph is not like the Resmed ones since the "resets" to zero don't occur on the hour every hour. At first I though that this might be plotting a running "AHI" based on the last hour of data every time an event is recorded. But there are at least two times that it appears that you had at least 7 events in one clock hour of time, but the AHI never goes that high in this graph. So this graph's meaning has indeed stumped me.
Pressure - I understand - I have a range of 5 - 10

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Yep, the pressure graph is pretty easy to understand. It just traces the pressure setting at any point during the night. You should notice that the big bump in the pressure graph happens to correspond to the hour when you had the most frequent occurrences of hypopneas. In other words, this graph shows how your machine responded to that set of hypops shown in the Events table that starts just before the 2:26 tick mark.
Leaks - is is the volume of the leak?

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Not quite the volume. Rather the units are L/min = Liters per minute. And so this graph measures how fast you were losing air in the semi-closed system formed by the PAP machine, the hose, the mask, your nose (and mouth), your upper airway, and your lungs. I'd need more details from the user manual for the machine to make more sense of this graph. On both the PR machines and the Resmed machines, leak is represented by a single curve. But there are two here. And without additional written material I really don't know what is being plotted for "average leak" vs. time and what's being plotted as "maximum leak" vs. time. Also needed to properly interpret this graph is knowing whether or not this graph represents Total leak rate or just Unintentional leak rate. All masks have a built-in intentional leak rate to prevent us from rebreathing our own CO2. Some manufacturers report Total leak rate, which includes both the intentional leak rate and the unintentional leak rate. But some (such as Resmed) report only the Unintentional leak rates. I believe that DeVilbass shows total leak rate. So to interpret this graph, you need to look at your mask's owner's manual to find out what its intentional leak rate at your pressures are. Then you want your leak rate graph (at least the "average leak rate" part of it) to stay pretty close to that expected intentional leak rate for your mask. My guess is that the bump in the average leak rate between 2:26 and 2:56 is mostly made up of additional intentional leak because that's also when your pressure level went from roughly 5cm to just over 10cm of pressure. That would certainly increase the intentional leak rate quite a bit.
Events - I don't know at all if where the dot is means anything other than the frequency of the events - oh wait, I see now the ASHEL - means apneas, snores, etc - so if it were black and white, you could still see what event it was:

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This is indeed a table that shows when each event occurred and what kind of event it was. So you had about 19 hypopneas, one apnea (presumably an obstructive one), and two NRIs (non responsive incident---i.e. most likely a "central") during the night. It looks like you had the machine running for around 4.5 to 5 hours. So the overnight AHI is somewhere between 22/5 = 4.4 and 22/4.5 = 4.9. The worst period of the night was a thirty minut period from roughly 2:26 to 2:56, where you had 7 hypops plus an NRI.

NOTE: If you ever had events that happened right on top of each other---i.e. a pair of back to back OAs with just a few breaths between them, you might not be able to just count the dots to find out how many events occurred. That's because those dots are huge compared to the time scale. And if two events of the same type occur within 30 seconds of each other, then their corresponding dots are going to land on top of each other. And you'll only see one dot instead of two.

FWIW, most nights it seems like the event starts and the pressure ramps up and the mask can't handle the higher flow rate (sleepweaver mask) - but in general my events are under 4. So, last night was unusual - I rarely have apnea's or NRI's.
When you say your events are under 4, do you mean your overnight AHI is usually less than 4? Or do you mean you usually see four or fewer dots on the events table?

Also---as I explained earlier, it could be that what that leak line is showing is that as the pressure goes up, the expected leak from the sleepweaver mask also goes up. The rest of your "average leak rate" line looks pretty good to me---in terms of it being flat. What's the expected, intentional leak rate for the sleepweaver at 5cm? What's its expected, intentional leak rate at 10cm?

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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by Pugsy » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:21 pm

robysue wrote: Also needed to properly interpret this graph is knowing whether or not this graph represents Total leak rate or just Unintentional leak rate.
It is total leak. That much I remember from reading the provider manual and the fact that there is a very generous leak allowance. I want to say 95 L/min. ResScan and Encore Pro's option for unintentional leak are the only software that shows unintentional leak that I am aware of.

I don't like the way this data is presented but that is just me and my preference. I like the ResMed and Respironics graphs better but then that is what I have seen much more often.

I just can't remember the AHI graph explanation and don't have the time to try to find the provider manual online again.
I had the link saved on the computer that died. Lot of good it does me now.

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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by Pugsy » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:33 pm

http://www.devilbisshealthcare.com/file ... erview.pdf

Above link to clinical overview. 95 L/min is the line in the sand for the leak.
I still couldn't find that particular AHI graph.

I bet Emelia will know.

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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by mgrunk » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:28 pm

Thanks to all - yes, my average AHI is usually 4 or under.

So, in regards to the leak rate - you're saying that basically if it stays under 95 L/min (peaks - red line?) that it's ok? I've worried that the sleepweaver leaks too much, I get a little air around my eyes or at the bottom near my chin (it's not the vent holes because if I press the mask down, the air stops). It looks like that still isn't much of a concern.

I guess my only concern regarding the leaks is if the machine responds to an event can the mask can keep up w/ it - the leak rate may go up, but if it stays under 95 that it probably is ok?

I'm trying to justify staying w/ this mask vs going back to a typical mask - those all make my face, especially nose, itch so badly that I can't sleep. I have like 5 masks that I've tried and this is the longest number of days that I've used CPAP every night (I'm up to 17 days and average 7 to 9 hours generally - except for last night) - the difference is the sleepweaver mask. I don't have any rain out, I don't have a sweaty nose, and I definitely don't itch.

So, the only real question is what the AHI graph means.

Again, I appreciate the help!!!!

I've seen graphs from other machines that do make more sense to me - I don't know that this is how I'd lay out the data - aren't there bar graphs that lay out the events w/ their length of time?
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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by robysue » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:45 pm

mgrunk wrote: I've seen graphs from other machines that do make more sense to me - I don't know that this is how I'd lay out the data - aren't there bar graphs that lay out the events w/ their length of time?
Yep, those are the Event graphs in ResScan. Each apnea is a red or black bar with the length of the bar equal to the length of time the apnea lasted. And there's a little flag on top that tells you how long it lasted.

Encore Viewer only has an Events table similar to the Events table in your software. But it uses tick marks instead of large dots for the events. On the plus side, at least your software gives the actual clock time for the events, unilike Encore.

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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by Pugsy » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:50 pm

mgrunk wrote:So, in regards to the leak rate - you're saying that basically if it stays under 95 L/min (peaks - red line?
I don't know why they have a red max line and a blue min line for leaks. The literature does say leak up to 95 L/Min that can handle. Obviously you lower but you have quite a bit of wiggle room. I also read that it doesn't increase pressure in response to leak because they feel it would only make things worse.
mgrunk wrote:ren't there bar graphs that lay out the events w/ their length of time?
ResSan reports their apneas with little boxes over each even with the duration of the event in seconds in the box.

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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by Emilia » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:43 am

Hi,
Others here have explained very well the graphs. The AHI visual is just to show how your events yielded a fluctuating AHI during the night... the left vertical scale is the AHI score and the timeline on the horizontal show when you had peaks in events yielding an AHI score. So... with an overall AHI of 4, you are able to see that it wasn't a 4 all night long, but rather a series of peaks that upped the score to an AVE. of 4. You had much time at very low numbers. This was kind of interesting for me to see since I average a 1.5 almost always and my AHI graph is essentially empty except for a couple of minor blips on it.

For leaks, DeVilbiss scores anything under 95 as okay.... however, the lower the better, obviously. My leak line is usually between 25-45 and the acceptable leak for my mask is around 28 so I am right where I should be. My leak line on the graph is always empty.

Hope this helps.... You are doing great. A 4 is good but striving for a lower number would help, but....it is really all about how you feel. I'd say you need to work on staying masked up longer and sleeping longer. Your graphs show a short night and couple of breaks when the mask came off. Once you can sleep longer and stay masked up.... I think you will begin to see your AHI come down a bit more. I will say that when I first started and used the Sleepweaver, my numbers were a bit higher. Once I switched to the Swift LT nasal pillows, it had much better results and continue to do so.
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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by mgrunk » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:29 pm

Thanks - I guess I'm being a bit dense - I don't understand what you mean by AHI score though. I do see what you mean by the graph showing peaks - normally, my ahi line is pretty flat - this night was just difficult - I actually had to turn the machine off and on to get it to back off the pressure because I was awake.
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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by DaveLP » Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:35 am

I have the DeVilbiss Intellipap auto, also. You can search for my nickname and see quite a few I've upload and posted. My only gripe about the Intellipap Smartlink software is the fact that it doesn't show minute graphs for flow. When I've had hypopneas, I would like to be able to go to the time stamp for that event and see just how low my tidal volume dropped (depth of breathing). Hypopnease are generally dimissed, as I understand it, by some sleep doctors. Others are concerned with the reason for them. From what I gather, hypopneas can be exacerbated by increases in pressure, which is a good reason to monitor your pressure levels and find a narrow pressure range that works best for you. They are also related to CO2 buildup. If you breath heavily for a while, you can raise O2 levels and clear CO2 to the point where your brain doesn't see the need to inhale and exhale as deeply until the levels move toward normal. Then, you suddenly start breathing normally again. During the period of low CO2, you record hypopneas because your inhale/exhale volume drops below 50% of your average tidal volume. Anyone, feel free to correct me if I have misrepresented any of this explanation.

I have sent feedback to DeVillbiss on the fact that their comparison page for the Intellipap standard, auto, and bipap machines shows that the Bipap model has minute volume/flow graph information. My question to them was for an explanation of why the auto machine doesn't have this, but the Bipap does (on the same Smartlink software). I also mentioned that PR and Resmed have this feature in the software and the omission of flow graphing on the DV54 puts them at a loss when compared to the machines they are competing with.

I got an email back the same day stating that they had forwarded my comment to research and development and I would be advised when they had an answer. We will see ...

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Re: explanation of Devilbiss SmartLink Graphs

Post by Emilia » Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:40 am

DeVilbiss is in the process of research and development of new products. I do not doubt they will consider your suggestion. When they launched the SmartLink version 2.0, I made a suggestion for an improvement, and in the very next update, it was done! DeVilbiss Marketing asked us all for input on what we would like to see or have in the 'dream' cpap machine/software of the future. I suspect we will see a new line of machines by the end of 2012 or early 2013 with new software and better everything.
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