Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
User avatar
chunkyfrog
Posts: 34545
Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:10 pm
Location: Nowhere special--this year in particular.

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:44 pm

I can more easily imagine that thing used in a white room.

_________________
Mask: AirFit™ P10 For Her Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: Airsense 10 Autoset for Her

B3Bear
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:59 am

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by B3Bear » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:51 pm

I knew I'd seen this before somewhere!

Image

_________________
Mask: Mirage Quattro™ Full Face CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: APAP 7/12 Tried HC431, HC432, HC407, ComfortGel Nasal, HC452, Liberty, InnoMed Hybrid, Respironics Total Face, Headrest Nasal Pillows

User avatar
Emmy1
Posts: 26
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:17 am
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by Emmy1 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:32 am

LOL! Well, you'd need a built in pillow for starters, unless you plan to sleep sitting up in a chair. It would certainly deal with the issue of ear popping, but imagine trying to scratch an itch anywhere on your head. No go. I think I'll pass.

User avatar
roster
Posts: 8162
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:02 pm
Location: Chapel Hill, NC

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by roster » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:13 am

B3Bear wrote:Sorry to doubt you, but where exactly are you getting your information? I mean it is called a CPAP Helmet, so I can only assume that it delivers continuous positive airway pressure, which you seem to be implying it doesn't?

Why don't you ask your doctor for a prescription?
Rooster
I have a vision that we will figure out an easy way to ensure that children develop wide, deep, healthy and attractive jaws and then obstructive sleep apnea becomes an obscure bit of history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ycw4uaX ... re=related

User avatar
NotMuffy
Posts: 962
Joined: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:56 am
Location: Dunno. GPS is dead.

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by NotMuffy » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:43 am

B3Bear wrote:I mean it is called a CPAP Helmet, so I can only assume that it delivers continuous positive airway pressure, which you seem to be implying it doesn't?
I think the point concerns location and balance of forces.

If you subscribe to the "tracheal traction" and changes in FRC affecting obstruction (read split_city's posts) then it might work.
A Structural Mechanism from a Distance: Lung Volume Hypothesis

Obesity is associated with significant reduction of lung volume such as functional residual capacity (FRC) and expiratory residual volume due to diminished chest wall compliance, and total lung capacity and vital capacity are only impaired by extreme obesity.34 Whereas FRC reduction accounts for development of severe hypoxemia during obstructive events in obese OSA patients, lung volume decrease, per se, is indicated to contribute to pharyngeal airway obstruction. Hoffstein et al.35 hypothesized significant lung volume dependence of pharyngeal airway patency as an important factor in the pathophysiology of OSA based on the finding that obese OSA patients demonstrated significantly greater reduction of the smaller pharyngeal cross-sectional area in response to slow exhalation from total lung capacity to residual volume than obese non-OSA persons during wakefulness (54 ± 6 vs. 30 ± 5%).
"Don't Blame Me...You Took the Red Pill..."

User avatar
NotMuffy
Posts: 962
Joined: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:56 am
Location: Dunno. GPS is dead.

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by NotMuffy » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:49 am

Then again, maybe not:
A Structural Mechanism from a Distance: Lung Volume and OSA

Series et al.36 first reported an obese OSA patient who presented decreased frequency of obstructive events and improved sleep architecture in response to a 0.5-l increase of FRC by applying a constant negative extrathoracic pressure during sleep. Interestingly, the same investigators failed to support the lung volume hypothesis in nine mildly obese OSA patients (124% of ideal body weight) despite using the same protocol for changing FRC during sleep.37 Heinzer et al.,38 however, recently demonstrated that 0.77- and 1.3-l increases of FRC during sleep significantly decreased AHI from 62.3 events/h to 37.2 and 31.2 events/h, respectively, improving sleep quality in 12 more obese OSA patients than those studied by Series et al. (mean BMI = 34.9 kg/m2). Although the discrepant results from two clinical investigations including only 22 OSA patients do not provide conclusive evidence for the lung volume hypothesis, the difference in the severity of obesity between the studies is worthy of note, while the discrepancy is explainable by the difference in study protocols and populations. It is possible that the influence of lung volume is greater in more obese OSA patients, because Heinzer et al.38 found a trend toward a correlation between the extent of AHI reduction during lung inflation and the BMI (correlation coefficient = 0.53, P = 0.077, n = 12) in their study population.
"Don't Blame Me...You Took the Red Pill..."

User avatar
LSAT
Posts: 13330
Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:11 am
Location: SE Wisconsin

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by LSAT » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:21 am

I didn't realize that Buzz Lightyear had sleep apnia.............
http://www.ultimate-kid-birthday-partie ... color4.gif

mayondair
Posts: 523
Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:55 am
Location: Michigan

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by mayondair » Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:29 pm

Time to call NASA, Mabe they have a good deal on used astronaut suits. then again you probably won't qualify for a space mission with sleep apnea
Any landing you walk away from is a good one; if you don't break your airplane it's excellent.

User avatar
roster
Posts: 8162
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:02 pm
Location: Chapel Hill, NC

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by roster » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:23 pm

LSAT wrote: Image
Hey, what happened to the nice avatar?

Please get back to gluten-free.
Rooster
I have a vision that we will figure out an easy way to ensure that children develop wide, deep, healthy and attractive jaws and then obstructive sleep apnea becomes an obscure bit of history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ycw4uaX ... re=related

B3Bear
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:59 am

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by B3Bear » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:46 pm

roster wrote: Why don't you ask your doctor for a prescription?
What would that prove exactly?

_________________
Mask: Mirage Quattro™ Full Face CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: APAP 7/12 Tried HC431, HC432, HC407, ComfortGel Nasal, HC452, Liberty, InnoMed Hybrid, Respironics Total Face, Headrest Nasal Pillows

giovannachid@libero.it

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by giovannachid@libero.it » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:53 am

Hi,
My name is Giovanna, I am intensive care physician in italy and in my unit we treat extensively patients with helmet to deliver CPAP.
The main problem is that you need a high fresh gas flow to avoid CO2 rebreathing in the helmet. Now the use of the helmet is reserved to intrahospital setting in intensive care or emergency department. There are no home ventilation able to deliver a so high fresh gas flow in the circuit. You risk hypercapnic coma if you attach the helmet to your home ventilator!
If you would contact me for further explanations : Giovanna Chidini, MD, Milan Italy
(I cannot attach my mail, you will find it in pubmed)

B3Bear
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:59 am

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by B3Bear » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:18 pm

Thanks so much for that info and clarifying that. I myself have been "broken" by my Mirage Quattro mask. It really came down to make it super tight to get a good seal. It takes 3 hours for the marks to go away but my AHI is 2.5.

_________________
Mask: Mirage Quattro™ Full Face CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: APAP 7/12 Tried HC431, HC432, HC407, ComfortGel Nasal, HC452, Liberty, InnoMed Hybrid, Respironics Total Face, Headrest Nasal Pillows

User avatar
LSAT
Posts: 13330
Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:11 am
Location: SE Wisconsin

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by LSAT » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:29 pm

B3Bear wrote:Thanks so much for that info and clarifying that. I myself have been "broken" by my Mirage Quattro mask. It really came down to make it super tight to get a good seal. It takes 3 hours for the marks to go away but my AHI is 2.5.
The Quattro works best when it is NOT tight. The mask must 'float' on your face.
http://maskarrayed.wordpress.com/taming ... e-quattro/

B3Bear
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:59 am

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by B3Bear » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:35 pm

LSAT wrote:The Quattro works best when it is NOT tight. The mask must 'float' on your face.
http://maskarrayed.wordpress.com/taming ... e-quattro/
Ha! Not when you've got a beard.

_________________
Mask: Mirage Quattro™ Full Face CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: APAP 7/12 Tried HC431, HC432, HC407, ComfortGel Nasal, HC452, Liberty, InnoMed Hybrid, Respironics Total Face, Headrest Nasal Pillows

User avatar
GumbyCT
Posts: 5778
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:22 pm
Location: CT
Contact:

Re: Anyone know anything about CPAP Helmets?

Post by GumbyCT » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:37 pm

Maybe it's me but IF that helmet had any kind of pressure in it how could you exhale?

Better for hospital use as the doc described. I imagine it is used to infuse O2 at a lower pressure.

Do NOT try this at home folks

_________________
Humidifier: HC150 Heated Humidifier With Hose, 2 Chambers and Stand
Additional Comments: New users can't remember they can't remember YET!
BeganCPAP31Jan2007;AHI<0.5
I have no doubt, how I sleep affects every waking moment.
I am making progress-NOW I remember that I can't remember
;)
If this isn’t rocket science why are there so many spaceshots?
Be your own healthcare advocate!