OT- Casey Anthony Trial in FL

[ewebster]

i am sooooo angry about the casey anthony verdit, she killed that child in my opinion. they are so concerned about her safety, well guess what, they should be , caylee should get her justice she sure did not with the trial . the jury let her down .
i hope casey will make something of this 2nd chance she has been handed to on a silver platter but think she will pick back partying where she left off, yes she will find someone as crazy as she is to party with. i also think she will mess up, all we will have to do is sit back and wait . they said she may leave the state of florida and even the country, hope she leaves the USA, i sure do not want her living close to me or even in the state of NC . maybe she will go to Peru and Vandersloot will get released too and they will get together and he will take her on a boatride like he did natalley holloway from Alabama and leave her with the babysitter like she did caylee. they deserve eachother.

[M.D.Hosehead]

One wag suggested having the Anthony jury settle the debt limit-budget impasse.

They are way more honest and conscientious than politicians.

[Vader]

They are way more honest and conscientious than politicians.

Now wait just a doggone minute....do you realize that you used the words "honest" and "conscientious" in the same sentence as the word "politicians"?

[ameriken]

They are way more honest and conscientious than politicians.

Now wait just a doggone minute....do you realize that you used the words "honest" and "conscientious" in the same sentence as the word "politicians"?

LOL, 'honest politician' is an oxymoron used to describe a moron.

[SRSDDS]

Go sign a petition that has in excess of 750,000 signatures already to encourage our federal and state governments to enact "Caylee's Law", which will make it a crime to not report that a child is missing.

http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law

This is well intentioned but a very bad idea.

Such a law is not needed. Strict laws with severe penalties against child abuse are already on the books in all fifty states. Failure to report one's missing child would already be covered under these existing felony child abuse cases. Casey Anthony could have been charged under Florida state law with felony child abuse. From what little I know of her particular case, she would have been convicted and would have been given a long prison sentence.

So Well,
You are misinformed. Casey Anthony WAS charged with felony child abuse and aggravated child abuse. These laws did no good in her getting convicted, despite the incontrovertible fact that she had not reported her child missing for 31 days.

This is not a law that is redundant in any way. There is NO child abuse law that deals with delays in reporting a child missing. I agree with you that there are way too many nonsensical and redundant and probably useless laws on the books. But laws, contrary to what some Libertarians preach, are not all bad or unneeded. Caylee's Law is necessary to close the loophole that Casey Anthony slinked through.

Caylee's Law is very well intentioned and a very good idea.

Stephen

[SRSDDS]

Now if you really are for conservative values, individual freedom, and our Constitution, start following the greatest candidate for President in decades - Gary Johnson, form two-term governor of New Mexico.

Gary Johnson cannot be mistaken for a Conservative in any way, shape or form. He is a Libertarian plain and simple. As a real Conservative, I do share many values with Gary Johnson, but our ideologies are miles apart.

Stephen

[ameriken]

Wow, from Casey Anthony to Gary Johnson. This thread sure fell off the tracks somewhere!

Anyone want to start an OT political thread? Seems like it might gets some wheels here.

[Vader]

Now if you really are for conservative values, individual freedom, and our Constitution, start following the greatest candidate for President in decades - Gary Johnson, form two-term governor of New Mexico.

Gary Johnson cannot be mistaken for a Conservative in any way, shape or form.

He is a Libertarian plain and simple.

As a real Conservative, I do share many values with Gary Johnson, but our ideologies are miles apart.

Stephen

Amen, Amen, and Amen!

[codinqueen]

I am also very frustrated that Casy was not found guilty of killing Caylee. I have already signed the petition for Caylee's law to be passed in our legislature here in FL. Someone was picketing the the courthouse during verdict watch with a sign that said "Will you marry me, Casey" and he spoke to the media, so yes there are sure some nuts out there. Casey has already written in a note to someone that she wants to have another child or adopt one. Hopefully when the adoption agency looks into her background they will deny that, but I want her tubes tied and cut before they release her. She will change her hair color and her name, and maybe even have some plastic surgery on her face after some media co pays her a huge sum of money for an interview, and she will be out amongst other law-abiding citizens, living the Bella Vita after she killed her child. Dr Drew on HLN has already warned that she will kill again, it is part of her psyche, and now that she has already done it once and gotten away with it, it only reinforces that she will do it again. I am not a violent person, but I hope when she gets out that someone recognizes her & shoots her or stabs her in the fallopian tubes!!! That jury just wanted to get back to their families after being gone 6 weeks over a national holiday...they didn't want to find her guilty and then be required to stay for the penalty phase the court would have required after 48 hours. That could have taken another week or two as the defense trots out all manner of old demented psychologists asking for mercy. My hubby jokingly said they were tired of hotel food! I think they were too worried about what her penalty would be, and they were supposed to look at the facts and the evidence. Most of them didn't take any notes, and they didn't ask for one piece of evidence to be given to them after they started deliberating. I think they had their minds mostly made up when deliberations started, and if anyone wanted to convist her, the ones who thought she was innocent wore the ones who thought she was guilty down, and they wanted to get out of that deliberation room!
Did you hear about the lightening striking a tree by the site where Caylee's body was found? I think that is a sign from above!

Welcome to America where some people can actually kill another and get away with it to get out of jail and do it again!!

[So Well]

So Well,
You are misinformed. Casey Anthony WAS charged with felony child abuse and aggravated child abuse. These laws did no good in her getting convicted, despite the incontrovertible fact that she had not reported her child missing for 31 days.

This is not a law that is redundant in any way. There is NO child abuse law that deals with delays in reporting a child missing. I agree with you that there are way too many nonsensical and redundant and probably useless laws on the books. But laws, contrary to what some Libertarians preach, are not all bad or unneeded. Caylee's Law is necessary to close the loophole that Casey Anthony slinked through.

Caylee's Law is very well intentioned and a very good idea.

Stephen

I will agree with you on one thing - I am poorly informed on the trial because I did not watch one minute of it.

However, it must have been that the prosecutors emphasized the murder case and failed to stress that the mother did not report the missing child to the police for 30 days or so. Existing aggravated child abuse laws are certainly sufficient to convict a mother in such a case of a serious felony. The laws were not the problem - the prosecutors and maybe even the judge's instructions to the jury may have been the problem.

It seems to me that the proponents of "Caylee's Law" want to write a very specific law that would tie the hands of the jury and deny the defendant his "day in court". "Guilty with no chance of being proven innocent."

This would be very much unconstitutional and would result in guilty verdicts being overturned by higher courts. Very quickly prosecutors would learn not to use the law and there would be another useless law on the books.

I stand by my position in opposition to this well-intended but wrong effort.

[So Well]

I am also very frustrated that Casy was not found guilty of killing Caylee. ... I want her tubes tied and cut before they release her. ... I hope when she gets out that someone recognizes her & shoots her or stabs her in the fallopian tubes!!! ...

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[So Well]

But laws, contrary to what some Libertarians preach, are not all bad or unneeded.

This is a dishonest debating tactic - making a false characterization of the opponent (or more likely, you are honest but misinformed). I know plenty of libertarians, including many in leadership positions, and not a single one of them "preaches that all laws are bad or unneeded".

In fact, most of them are strict law-and-order types. It follows naturally that they would be because they believe in individual freedom. For individual freedom to exist there must be strong laws protecting those freedoms from attack by foreign, domestic, and governmental entities.

Are you perhaps confusing libertarians with anarchists? All libertarians consider anarchists to be a great threat to the individual liberty we believe is man's basic natural right. I personally believe that God commands us to respect the rights of all individuals and allow them to live as they choose. God did not make one man to be subjugated to another whether by intimidation or physical force.

Libertarians do believe that for laws to be effective they must be understandable by the citizens- our founding fathers also believed this.

I believe you know that a great portion of our laws and regulations are no longer understandable by the citizens. Included among the most egregious examples are the federal tax codes, the new health care act, the current Medicare and Medicaid programs, and the EPA regulations.

No, libertarians place great value on the law and want a country that is ruled by law and not by the whims of governmental agencies and bureaucrats.

[So Well]

Gary Johnson cannot be mistaken for a Conservative in any way, shape or form.

He is a Libertarian plain and simple.

As a real Conservative, I do share many values with Gary Johnson, but our ideologies are miles apart.

Stephen

Amen, Amen, and Amen!

I say to all conservatives, you will not get what you claim to want in your lifetimes if you keep voting for "conservative Republicans" and "conservative Democrats". Bush grew the government, ran up the debt, failed to deal with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and violated many other conservative principles. These so-called conservative politicians along with their fellow liberal politicians will continue to run this great country into the ground if you keep voting for them.

If you educate yourself about what libertarians stand for you will find them to be great coalition partners for you to achieve what you know is right. But it takes some self-education and throwing off the shackles of long-held stereotypes.

Sink the country or save it - the choice is with the voters.

[SRSDDS]

But laws, contrary to what some Libertarians preach, are not all bad or unneeded.

No, libertarians place great value on the law and want a country that is ruled by law and not by the whims of governmental agencies and bureaucrats.

I'm glad you agree that the citizenry needs to be protected by the rule of law. Since there is no law currently protecting some of our most vulnerable citizens, children, from a parent who is negligent or evil enough to not report that they are missing for 30 days, then you really should have no disagreement at all concerning Caylee's Law.

Stephen

[SRSDDS]

Gary Johnson cannot be mistaken for a Conservative in any way, shape or form.

He is a Libertarian plain and simple.

As a real Conservative, I do share many values with Gary Johnson, but our ideologies are miles apart.

Stephen

Amen, Amen, and Amen!

Bush grew the government, ran up the debt, failed to deal with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and violated many other conservative principles. These so-called conservative politicians along with their fellow liberal politicians will continue to run this great country into the ground if you keep voting for them.

Georg W. Bush, although a very fine and admirable person, is in no way a Conservative. Unfortunately, a lot of Republican politicians try to claim the mantle of Conservatism while acting like Progressives. Fortunately, the number of Conservatives in the Republican party is growing and will hopefully soon neutralize the Progressive wing of the party.

Stephen