NEW -- ResMed Escape 2 FOR SALE

[TooGroggy]

If you paid $1500 for it, I'm sorry you got ripped off.

I don't necessarily agree that paying $1,500 for the machine means that the OP got ripped off. A DME that delivers support services is entitled to charge for those services. And the pricing model appears to be that they charge for the services in advance by bundling their costs in the price of the machine. That is no different that it used to be when you had the option of getting gas at a full service gas pump. You paid 20 cents more per gallon but the attendant checked your oil and cleaned your windshield.

Having said, though, I'd like to remind the OP that only the machine is being offered for sale, not the services that you paid for when you bought the machine. So the price you used as a baseline for the asking price is the wrong one. Instead, you should figure that you paid $1,500 for an $800 machine (MSRP) and $700 of services from the DME that you never took advantage of and cannot pass on to the new owner.

But even $800 is not a valid baseline for setting the used price. After all, no one buying a machine by itself would pay MSRP. So figure that the retail price of the machine, had you chosen to just get the equipment by itself was $600.

The problem is that the machine is a discontinued model. So knock 30% to 50% off that price. Now, you have $300 to $400 theoretical value.

The next problem is one of supply and demand. Supply of older models is high but demand is very low. Very few people who get diagnosed with OSA just go out and buy a machine on their own. If they do, they typically don't know much about machines and buy the cheapest one they see on Craigslist. Or they come to a site like this one and learn what to look for in a machine (newer model which usually provide better treatment software and data capability). So you are left with people who have a machine like yours and want a backup. But those people in no hurry to buy. That means that your $300 to $400 machine will fetch a measly $100 to $200 to the "right" person.

So I'll paraphrase DoriC's statement and say that if you paid $1,500 for you machine, I am sorry you didn't to take advantage of all the things you purchased.

On second thought, maybe DoriC wasn't wrong. You did get ripped of. By the doctor who misdiagnosed you. By the DME who sold you services they didn't have to deliver. And by circumstances that kept you from rectifying the situation when there was a possibility of doing so.

[bbailey231]

Since I never had the opportunity or need to use the unit, I honestly don't know much about them. I do know that everyone keeps saying something about "data" ... what does the data card do if not record the data??? Since it has a data card, I would imagine it records data. It isn't the standard ResMed S8, it is the Resmed S8 Elite™ II CPAP Machine with Easy-Breathe, H4i heated humidifier, and MIRAGE QUATTRO full-face mask with headgear. Those three items alone, from what I could find on the internet right now are $1200 new....then add the bag and other stuff.

As for price, I paid well over $1,500 actually. I got it a year ago. I will AGAIN state that I merely put $700 as a starting point...If someone wants to offer less then do so.

[LoQ]

Since I never had the opportunity or need to use the unit, I honestly don't know much about them. I do know that everyone keeps saying something about "data" ... what does the data card do if not record the data??? Since it has a data card, I would imagine it records data. It isn't the standard ResMed S8, it is the Resmed S8 Elite™ II CPAP Machine with Easy-Breathe, H4i heated humidifier, and MIRAGE QUATTRO full-face mask with headgear. Those three items alone, from what I could find on the internet right now are $1200 new....then add the bag and other stuff.

As for price, I paid well over $1,500 actually. I got it a year ago. I will AGAIN state that I merely put $700 as a starting point...If someone wants to offer less then do so.

Is it an Elite or an Escape? Your thread subject says Escape. Now you are saying it is an Elite. I'm always leery of buying from a seller who cannot properly represent what they are selling.

They all have the ability to record compliance data. If what you have is an Escape, that's what is recorded on the card. Almost nobody here would be interested in a machine that only records compliance data. This is not the best place for you to advertise, quite frankly.

Follow the suggestion to advertise on craigslist. I'd put an asking price of $400, and count myself exceedingly lucky if I got anything over $200. It won't matter to buyers what you paid for it, only what it is worth now. Please re-read TooGroggy's post for an excellent explanation of why your machine is not worth anywhere near $700.

[bbailey231]

Is it an Elite or an Escape? Your thread subject says Escape. Now you are saying it is an Elite. I'm always leery of buying from a seller who cannot properly represent what they are selling.

They all have the ability to record compliance data. If what you have is an Escape, that's what is recorded on the card. Almost nobody here would be interested in a machine that only records compliance data. This is not the best place for you to advertise, quite frankly.

Follow the suggestion to advertise on craigslist. I'd put an asking price of $400, and count myself exceedingly lucky if I got anything over $200. It won't matter to buyers what you paid for it, only what it is worth now. Please re-read TooGroggy's post for an excellent explanation of why your machine is not worth anywhere near $700.

Your right, I stand corrected. Like I said I know nothing about these machines and have no idea about the "data" capabilities. That said, I pulled the invoice out to make sure what I say I have is right...and it is:

Resmed S8 Escape II model E0601
Resmed 4i humid Model E0562
Resmed Mirage Quattro FFM - med model A7030
Headgear model A;7035
Misc Tubing Model A7037
Data Card (which you are correct, it is for usage data only).

My actual cost was $2,128.72. Your right, I can't base my asking price off of that, and I have said NUMEROUS times, I would take offers. But you are right...this is not the place to try to sell this machine. I THOUGHT that my trying to sell it here might help someone who didn't have insurance and needed a good system at a decent price. I didn't know what a decent price was so I listed it at 1/3 of what I paid as a starting point. If I could afford to throw my money out the window, I would give it away, but I can't so I figured it would help someone else and would also help me. BUT, obviously everyone here thinks you should give everything away when you have spent your hard earned money on it too. You know, someone could have offered me 3 or 4 hundred and I would have taken it...but yoru right, this is NOT the place to sell it. So thanks...its been enlightening to see just how asinine people are.

[Wulfman...]

"Asinine" is NOT using a medical device that was prescribed......and putting your health at further risk.

You've got about a $100 machine setup there. You'd be money ahead by actually USING it......you've already thrown away more money and health than you obviously realize. Hopefully you won't fall asleep at the wheel of an automobile and kill other innocent people because of your ignorance.

"Stupid is a stupid does"


Den

[LoQ]

I think people have been trying to help you by telling you things you need to know. Please don't be offended. People on this board value therapy data; it's part of the board culture. That is why I suggested to you that this might not be the best place to advertise. Perhaps that came across wrong. I didn't mean you shouldn't advertise here, just that the vast majority of people reading this board are interested in machines that can record therapy data, and therefore this is not your target audience for a sale.

I had some other suggestions, but it seems they are not well-received, so I shall move along to something else.

[bbailey231]

"Asinine" is NOT using a medical device that was prescribed......and putting your health at further risk.

You've got about a $100 machine setup there. You'd be money ahead by actually USING it......you've already thrown away more money and health than you obviously realize. Hopefully you won't fall asleep at the wheel of an automobile and kill other innocent people because of your ignorance.

"Stupid is a stupid does"


Den

Dear "Wolfman"

Asinine would actually be YOU. You should READ before you speak. I do believe that using a machine that was IMPROPERLY prescribed for you would be just as bad as not using a machine that is properly prescribed for you. As I believe I said in my first post...I WAS MISDIAGNOSED AND COULDN'T RETURN THE SYSTEM. I do not think I would be money ahead by "using" it since I DON'T HAVE SLEEP APNEA AND NEVER HAVE!! Actually, and you could read this above but I will retype it for you, I had a very very different ailment that was surgically corrected...but if you didn't read the whole post, guess you wouldn't know that. If you want a little more information...I had what is called a paraesophageal hernia, more than half of my stomach had gone past my diaphram and was in my chest cavity. It is very common to experience sleep problems with this...and it is not uncommon to be misdiagnosed as having Apnea. Since my surgery, I sleep like a baby. And your comment about what I have....I could get more than $100 just for the mask on ebay (if it sold before it was cancelled lol). Ironic you should put "stupid is as stupid does" hahaha ..... So like I said......

I think people have been trying to help you by telling you things you need to know. Please don't be offended. People on this board value therapy data; it's part of the board culture. That is why I suggested to you that this might not be the best place to advertise. Perhaps that came across wrong. I didn't mean you shouldn't advertise here, just that the vast majority of people reading this board are interested in machines that can record therapy data, and therefore this is not your target audience for a sale.

I had some other suggestions, but it seems they are not well-received, so I shall move along to something else.

Dear LoQ...sorry I mistook what you were saying. After doing a little more reading I see where you are coming from. Also, sorry for seeming so ignorant about the machine I have, like I said, I don't know much about them. Your suggestion did not go unnoticed. I have listed on Cragislist. I just thought it might be more needed by someone who blogs on this type of site is all. Thanks for your help

[sleepycarol]

You might try http://www.sleepguide.com as well. I know there have been patients there that have no insurance and might be interested in your machine. Again, many want the data, but many don't care about the data.

[DoriC]

I'm not sure but does Secondwind purchase used machines?