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Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by inkdesigner » Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:28 am

So, I am new to cpap, have used it only a few times is the past week. I am still getting used to things. I use an S9 with huidifier, Climateline hose, and Swift FX nasal pillows (small). I have downloaded the software and here is the report as generated.

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I really don't understand what the AHI & AI numbers mean. Also, should I be concerned at all about the leak numbers. Whenever I use the mask check feature on the S9, it always reports good and I really don't think I hear anything leaking. Could the 95% and maximum numbers be so high because I take my mask off before turning the machine off? Should I turn the machine off first prior to removing my mask?

One more question. Do folks typically have more than one mask to use? Since I only have nasal pilloes, I was thinking it might be good to get a hybrid or a ffm to use for the times my nose is stuffed up and I can't breathe thru it. What do folks think/recommend?

Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it.

Rob

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Re: Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by Julie » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:09 am

Hi, your numbers look really good! The 95th percentile number is not that high at all - the max. of 23 just means that for whatever reason (an incidental leak when your mask might have shifted for a minute) the machine registered that extreme vs a lower one, but 9.6 is quite average. It's always better to have alternate masks for whatever reasons (again but if you are getting stuffy, try lowering your humidifier setting. Your AHI is terrific! It's the Apnea Hypopnea Index, the averaging of apneas and hypopneas (mini-apneas that don't arouse you as much), and definitely a very important number to keep track of. Unless your leaks (leak rate) get much higher you don't need to worry - there'll always be tiny ones, if not more.

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Re: Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by robysue » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:33 pm

inkdesigner wrote:
I really don't understand what the AHI & AI numbers mean.
The screen shot of the ResMed report you included in your post indicates that your machine is an ResMed S9 Auto, which is the same as my machine. I use the Swift FX nasal pillows mask, but you didn't specify which nasal pillows mask you're using. So my answers are based on what I know about my machine and my nasal pillows.

The S9's software detects four types of respiratory events: Obstructive apneas, central apneas, unknown apneas, and hypopneas. The unknown apneas are events that the S9's algorithm detects as apneas, but cannot tell whether the apnea is obstructive or central with enough certainty to classify them.

The AHI number is the Apnea/Hypopnea Index for the reporting period, which on the S9 LCD is typically the overnight number. On the ResScan screen shot you included, the reporting period appears to be five days. For overnight (one day) data, the AHI is computed by the S9 as follows: It takes the number of all detectable events (obstructive apneas, central apneas, unknown apneas, and hypopneas detected) and divides that number by the time the machine was running. In other words, the AHI is the average number of apneas and hypopneas that occurred each hour the machine was on. The LCD display number on the S9 is simply truncated at one decimal place without any rounding as near as I can tell. I believe that for longer reporting periods (such as five days), ResScan simply averages the nightly AHI numbers to compute the one in the report. But I don't know for sure.

The AI number is the Apnea Index for the reporting period. It only counts the obstructive, central, and unknown apneas. In other words, the S9 computes this number by dividing the number of detected apneas (includes obstructive, central, and unknown apneas) by the time the machine was running. In other words, the AI is the average number of apneas that occurred each hour the machine was on. Again, the S9's LCD display number seems to simply be truncated at one decimal place instead of being rounded to one decimal place. In ResScan, if the reporting period is more than one day, I think the number is just the average of the daily AI numbers.

An example might help. Suppose that on a given night the S9 detects 15 total events---lets say there are 9 obstructive apneas, 2 central apneas, and 4 hypopneas---and that the machine was run for a total of 6.6 hours.

The S9's LCD's overnight AHI, AI, and CAI numbers are computed as follows:

AHI = 15/6.6 = 2.272727 = 2.2 (due to truncating the decimal)
AI = 11/6.6 = 1.666667 = 1.6 (due to truncating the decimal)
CAI = 2/6.6 = 0.303030 = 0.3 (due to truncating the decimal)

Note that you can use the LCD's data each morning to estimate the number of apneas, central apneas, obstructive apneas, and hypopneas by doing some quick multiplication of the LCD's overnight indices by the usage number. Here's a typical example:

Suppose you look at the detailed Sleep Quality Data and this is what you see:

Usage: 7.3
Pressure: 11.0
Leak: 9.6
AHI: 1.8
AI: 1.4
CAI: 0.3


The first number indicates you used the machine 7.3 hours overnight. The second is the 95% pressure level. Since your machine is running in straight CPAP mode, this should stay at 11 cm since your pressure shouldn't be changing. The 95% leak rate is 9.6 L/minute. That means 95% of the time your leak rate was LESS THAN or EQUAL to 9.6 L/min. Not fantastic, but not bad. SInce you're still getting use to the machine, I'd say this 95% leak rate is not something to be too worried about. More on this later.

Since your usage was about 7.3 hours, we can estimate the number of events you had and what type they were from the AHI, AI and CAI as follows:

Total number of apneas and hypopneas:
AHI x Usage = (1.8 events per hour) x (7.3 hours) = approx. 13.14 events = 14 events (round UP since there's a fraction)

Total number of apneas (all types):
AI x Usage = (1.4 apneas per hour) x (7.3 hours) = approx. 10.22 apneas = 11 apneas (round UP since there's a fraction)

Total number of central apneas:
CAI x Usage = (0.3 CAs per hour) x (7.3 hours) = aprox. 2.19 central apneas = 3 central apneas (round UP since there's a fraction)

Estimated Total number of obstructive apneas:
First, an estimate of the OAI is simply AI-CAI. Note that if your S9 detects any Apneas of Unknown type, that will throw this calculation off, but it's still a good estimate. So here we go:
OAI = AI - CAI = 1.4 - 0.3 = 1.1 and
OAI x Usage = (1.1 OAs per hour) x (7.3 hours) = 8.03 obstructive apneas = 8 apneas (since we truncate to one decimal and because 8 + 3 = 11 apneas)

Total number of hypopneas:
First, an estimate of the HI is simply AHI-AI. So here we go:
HI = AHI - AI = 1.8 - 1.4 = 0.4
HI x Usage = (0.4 Hypopneas per hour) x (7.3 hours) = 2.93 hypopneas = 3 hypopneas (which make since because 11 apneas + 3 hypopneas = 14 events.

Of course, to get more detailed information about when the events happened and how long each of the apneas lasted, you will need to download the data into ResScan and look at the graphs for the night.


And if you don't know how to get to the "detailed" LCD information about AHI, AI, and CI, here's how to do it:

Step 1) Press the info button on the S9 to get into the short Sleep Quality menu.

Step 2) Hold both the info and the double check buttons down at the same time for three seconds or so. You may notice a brief flash.

Step 3) Use the large round knob to scroll down ONE icon on the left hand list of icons. You should now see the top of the detailed Sleep Quality menu. And then CLICK the round button to select the detailed Sleep Quality menu. This will now let you scroll all the way through the detailed Sleep Quality menu to see the AHI, AI, and CAI, which are at the bottom of this menu. It will also allow you to change the data period from 1 Day to 1 Week to 1 Month to 3 Months to get an idea of the averages of the data over longer time frames than over night.
Also, should I be concerned at all about the leak numbers. Whenever I use the mask check feature on the S9, it always reports good and I really don't think I hear anything leaking. Could the 95% and maximum numbers be so high because I take my mask off before turning the machine off? Should I turn the machine off first prior to removing my mask?
A bit more information on the five day leak data you provided: Your five day average median leak rate is 0.0 L/min. So 50% of the time the machine was running each night, the S9 could detect no mask leaks above and beyond what it expects from your mask provided your mask setting is correct. And that's pretty nice data to have.

Your average maximum is 23.4 L/min. Now if you know that you've taken the mask off (on most nights) without turning the machine off, that more than likely explains the maximum leak rate being relatively high. Since your average 95% leak rate is 9.6, that indicates that any really bad leaks did not last very long---less than 5% of the time the machine was running each night.

Hope the math lesson is useful instead of intimidating.
robysue

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Re: Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by inkdesigner » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:01 am

Thank you very much for the replies. It was very informative.

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Re: Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by Roman Hokie » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:14 am

robysue, that was really good! Informative!

I think that the ResMeds calculate their percentile leak rates by arranging the leak rates per minute. So, if someone slept 8 hours, there would be 480 minutes of use. If the 95% leak comes back at 9.6, then that means that, for a period of 24 minutes (5% of 480), the leak rate was higher than 9.6. The rest of the time, it was lower than 9.6. And 9.6 is nothing to shake a stick at. I think ResMed has their "threshold" leak rate at 24l/m. Anything under that, if I understand correctly, is acceptable. I've had a few nights at about 12l/m leak 95%ile.

The important thing, also from what I'm told, is how you FEEL. Even on a night of 11.7 hours for me with 0.0AHI and 0.0l/h leak, I felt like crap the next day. Some nights, with less sleep and AHI of 2 (my highest AHI on therapy has been 2.4 and that wasn't even in my own bed), I do much better the next day.

About the mask fit check. Make the smiley happen, if you can, while in sleeping position. Kinda hard to do with laying in the bed and not being able to see the LCD. The smiley has a lot more tolerance as to what fits than "perfect". It's more like "acceptable".

Keep at it!

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Re: Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by kick » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:24 am

what robysue said...lol

The AI is the most critical number in my book. The average number of apneas per hour for every hour of sleep. The norm is around 4-10 per person per hour for a whole night. Actually, 10 is mild osa. The lower numbers are usual for non-cpap users.

I keep an eye on AI as time goes along because someone said that as our bodies change, a plateau of success occurs until we start snoring again (maybe...usually 9-12 months into using CPAP).

When sleep quality suffers, snoring comes back and that AI number goes up, I know it is time for another sleep study to keep up with my changing body and its sleep needs.

Cheerz!

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Re: Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by robysue » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:55 am

Roman Hokie wrote:robysue, that was really good! Informative!
Thanks! I enjoy trying to explain the mathematics behind the numbers. It's nice to know that some people find it useful.
I think that the ResMeds calculate their percentile leak rates by arranging the leak rates per minute. So, if someone slept 8 hours, there would be 480 minutes of use. If the 95% leak comes back at 9.6, then that means that, for a period of 24 minutes (5% of 480), the leak rate was higher than 9.6. The rest of the time, it was lower than 9.6.
You and I agree here. But I think you explained the meaning of 95% more clearly than I did . But the time with leak equal to 9.6 also has to be accounted for. I think in practice that it doesn't really matter if you say the leak rate was LESS THAN OR EQUAL to 9.6 95% of the time or if you say the leak rate was GREATER THAN OR EQUAL to 9.6 for 5% of the time.

Also for folks who want a really easy arithmetic way of figuring out how long of a time they had "high" leaks: All you really need to do is multiply the usage hours by [3 minutes] since 3 minutes is equal to 5% of 60 minutes = one hour.

So,

24 minutes of high leak = 0.5 x 480 minutes

but also

24 minutes of high leak = (3 minutes of high leak per hour) x 8 hours

And 9.6 is nothing to shake a stick at. I think ResMed has their "threshold" leak rate at 24l/m. Anything under that, if I understand correctly, is acceptable. I've had a few nights at about 12l/m leak 95%ile.
Agree with this statement. Most of the time my 95% leak rate is somewhere between 3.0 L/min and 10.0 L/min. I've had several nights with 95% leak rate = 0.0, and that's super nice. But I don't really think 95% leak rates are much too worry about as long as (1) they're low enough to keep the green smiley on the short version of the Sleep Quality data and (2) the leaks aren't waking you up or keeping you from getting to sleep. By the way, the user documentation that comes with the S9 indicates "red frowny" shows up in the Sleep Quality data if the 70% percentile leak rate is at or above 24 L/min, which is apparently where ResMed starts to worry about leaks affecting the efficacy of the treatment.
The important thing, also from what I'm told, is how you FEEL. Even on a night of 11.7 hours for me with 0.0AHI and 0.0l/h leak, I felt like crap the next day. Some nights, with less sleep and AHI of 2 (my highest AHI on therapy has been 2.4 and that wasn't even in my own bed), I do much better the next day.
Ain't this the truth. I've noticed that how I feel during the day bears a small, but not strong correlation with the overnight AHI numbers.

Rather, how I seem to feel the next day seems to correlate much more strongly with the total number of events overnight. In other words, I seem to better when the actual number of events is less than 10---regardless of whether I got 4 1/2 hours of sleep (for a max AHI = 2.2) or 12 hours of sleep (for a max AHI = 0.8 ). By the time I get up to 15 total events---regardless of how long I sleep----I tend to feel pretty bad the next day.

In other words, I typically feel much worse the next day when I have 15 events in 10 1/2 hours of sleep (AHI = 1.4) than I do the next day when I have 10 events in 4 1/2 hours (AHI = 2.2).
About the mask fit check. Make the smiley happen, if you can, while in sleeping position. Kinda hard to do with laying in the bed and not being able to see the LCD. The smiley has a lot more tolerance as to what fits than "perfect". It's more like "acceptable".
I am one of the fortunate ones who's not had any serious problems with leakage right from the start. Maybe it's just that the Swift FX nasal pillows are a really good fit for me (I don't mouth breathe) or maybe I'm just lucky on this. But what ever it is, I'm grateful for it since I've had other serious problems to deal with in my adjustment to CPAP.

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Re: Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by robysue » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:58 am

kick wrote: The AI is the most critical number in my book. The average number of apneas per hour for every hour of sleep. The norm is around 4-10 per person per hour for a whole night. Actually, 10 is mild osa. The lower numbers are usual for non-cpap users.
kick,

Do you mean to say the norm is 4 to 10 APNEAS/HYPOPNEAS per NIGHT (regardless of total sleep time)?

Or

Do you mean to say the norm is 4 to 10 APNEAS/HYPOPNEAS per HOUR --- i.e. 4 < AHI < 10?

It's not clear and there's a huge difference in meaning.

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Re: Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by Roman Hokie » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:04 am

robysue wrote:Rather, how I seem to feel the next day seems to correlate much more strongly with the total number of events overnight. In other words, I seem to better when the actual number of events is less than 10---regardless of whether I got 4 1/2 hours of sleep (for a max AHI = 2.2) or 12 hours of sleep (for a max AHI = 0.8 ). By the time I get up to 15 total events---regardless of how long I sleep----I tend to feel pretty bad the next day.
Sweet. I never thought of looking at the raw AH event count, only the index! Will have to look at these new stats in a whole new light now.

robysue, yeah, I think that a lot of people don't understand the difference between average and median, and percentile and percentage. I do a lot with statistics and result sets, so I get it. Plus that's just how my warped and sleep-deprived brain works, I guess.

As for the time that the leak rate IS equal to the number displayed on the unit, yeah, I did fail to take that into account. In actuality, the leak rate for individual minutes would be sequenced from lowest to highest throughout the night (or sleeping period). Lowest being 0 and highest being "max". At the 95th percentile mark (I love your 3 minutes per hour breakdown!), or 456 minutes and zero seconds into the night (assuming 480 minutes slept), a line would be drawn vertically through the data. The value for 95%ile would be that at which the vertical line passes through the leak rate line.

Median isn't a very good measure for this case because 50% of the night will be spent above and 50% below. But saying that 95% of your sleep offered a leak rate below 9.6l/h is more accurate.

Using the max isn't an accurate measure because the max rate might only be in observance by the CPAP machine for 1 minute. And the other 479 minutes MAY be 0l/m.

Statistics are only good to be aware of if we understand what they mean.

As for explaining the meaning, robysue, I find that, because I work with corporate executives AND with customer service level associates in my job, I have a need to explain to people who either generally a) don't care, or b) don't understand why I do the things I do (the latter at least want to know, while the former just want it taken care of).

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Re: Can Somebody Help w/ this Report Data

Post by robysue » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:04 am

Roman Hokie wrote: Statistics are only good to be aware of if we understand what they mean.

As for explaining the meaning, robysue, I find that, because I work with corporate executives AND with customer service level associates in my job, I have a need to explain to people who either generally a) don't care, or b) don't understand why I do the things I do (the latter at least want to know, while the former just want it taken care of).
Sounds like what happens when I teach a freshman-level gen ed class full of non-math majors. lol.

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