Quality of Detailed Patient Data w/software PR1 vs S9

[liv2kite]

Which data (or format) better for patient self-monitoring with the appropriate software. I am wondering what additional/different data the Respironics System One (APAP model) provides that the ResMed S9 Autoset does not have. My clinican said he prefers the data on the Respironics. Which machine is recommended by people who are familiar both machines (or with peoples' reactions to both machines).

[Slinky]

Have you ever seen the full download printout from a PR S1 APAP vs a full download printout from a Resmed S9? My personal opinion is that the PR method of presenting the data sucks compared to the Resmed method of presenting the data. I've used both EncorePro 2.2 and ResScan 3.10.

My own opinion is that it is more the result of your clinician having more experience w/EP 2.2 than w/ResScan 3.10.

ResScan allows its users to stretch out the graphs from 10 second intervals to 24 hour intervals. I'm not a professional, but I'll stick my neck out and take a guess that your clinician prefers that EP does the "scoring" for him whilst the ResScan allows him to "score" the results himself if he so chooses.

[Skier757]

Hi,

I think it really comes down to what you are used to. I have only had the PR System One and Encore Pro 2.2. I really like the format of the reports, particularly the way Encore Pro presents the nightly waveform view of every breath I took the night before if I want to get to that level of detail. When I have looked at peoples S9 reports I find I cannot understand them at all. But I have no experience with them. I am sure if I had been given an S9, I would be comfortable with the reports from that machine by now, and would likely prefer them.

I do think that there are some other issues to consider. Availability of the actual software needed. I had to 'Find' my software. If the software will run on your PC (64 bit systems and Win 7 Issues with Encore Pro 2.2). So there may be other things beyond the format of the actual report that will impact your choice.

Hope this helps, if you have any specific questions on Encore Pro 2.2 I would be happy to try to answer them.

Regards,

Brooks, aka Skier757

[Skier757]

Just re-read your original post, if you are speaking about the information available without software, I think the S9 has a significant edge as it will show you nightly AHI data on the screen, where the System One only shows you average AHI values on the built in screen.

Regards

Brooks, aka Skier757

[Slinky]

And Resmed, quite sensibly, provides a backlight to their LED screen. Respironics must have had their head up their rear because they provide no backlight to their PR S1 LED screen and you have to use a flash light to be able to read it most of the time.

[liv2kite]

Which data (or format) better for patient self-monitoring with the appropriate software. I am wondering what additional/different data the Respironics System One (APAP model) provides that the ResMed S9 Autoset does not have. My clinican said he prefers the data on the Respironics. Which machine is recommended by people who are familiar both machines (or with peoples' reactions to both machines).

I have revised my original post to reflect that I am interested in whether data (or data format) from Resp System One or Resmed S9 is preferred for patient self-monitoring with the appropriate software. I would actually be pleased if someone could either send me a detailed report from System One and S9 or point me to where I may view them online.

[Janknitz]

I have a PR S1 auto and Encore Viewer 2.2 software. I'll be happy to send you one of my reports in a PDF file for comparison if someone else will send you one for Resmed S9. PM me with your email address.

I think it's a matter of personal choice. I don't have any option but the PR S1 and the data I get from it is very useful. I'm envious of the people with S9's and the kind of data they can see without even having to download their card, but I have no idea if their downloaded reports are atually any better than the PR S1 (maybe I don't want to know that ).

It's a bit of a pain to have to read the data off the computer instead of getting useful data anytime by just pressing the button on my machine. If I had a choice (I don't), I'd have the S9, but the PR S1 is perfectly good if a little more trouble to access the data.

Don't forget the other factors. Data is nice to have, but you also want a machine that you are going to be comfortable using--easy to use, to clean, quiet, and delivers great therapy. Either one of those machines fit the bill, but there are some subtle differences that are the reason some people prefer the S9 (supposedly quieter, heated hose capability, auto algorhythm preference, etc.).

[jdm2857]

And Resmed, quite sensibly, provides a backlight to their LED screen. Respironics must have had their head up their rear because they provide no backlight to their PR S1 LED screen and you have to use a flash light to be able to read it most of the time.

So Respironics has leaped from one extreme to the other -- from the dreaded blue LEDs that kept people awake to a screen with no lighting at all. Great design.

[Slinky]

Well, Resmed had the problem w/the power connection in some of the early 2006 S8s and now w/the S9 they have one of those *&^% power bricks.

Respironics had a heck of a headache w/the M Series integrated humidifier and they've now come up w/the PR S1 "virtually leak/spill proof" integrated humidifier, in addition to their "blue light" fiasco.

One extreme to the other. *sigh*

Resmed had the Mask Selection feature in their S8s that some found confusing when trying to determine their Leak rate so w/their S9s they did away w/the Leak rate situation and just give us a stupid Smiley or Frown. Respironics introduced their version of Mask Selection w/their PR S1s - and at least provide SOME Leak information other than just a Smiley or Frown.

Neither manufacturer seems to truly recognize their own strong points and weaknesses despite some of their people browse these forums and read our gripes and likes.

[Janknitz]

and at least provide SOME Leak information other than just a Smiley or Frown

I would not agree with that statement. That "large leak" readout on the PR S1 LED screen is worse than useless. You can have a leak the size of a Jet Plane and it won't show up on that screen. I use my machine to dry my short hose after its weekly wash and run it wide open for 20 minutes or so, and no "large leak" ever shows up on the screen though the Encore data picks it up.

The only way to really tell if leaks are an issue is to download the data to Encore and see if the LPM is within the mask's tolerance or not. Since that is a PITA in the first place and it's only after the fact in the second place, the functionality is somewhat limited. At least the smiley/frowny face gives you immediate feedback and it seems like that would be especially useful for newbies.

[Slinky]

Yeah, but, w/the S8s Resmed let you see your actual Leak rate immediately any time you wanted to on the LED screen. The Smiley/Frown faces are a DEFINITE step backward.

[Roman Hokie]

At least the smiley/frowny face gives you immediate feedback and it seems like that would be especially useful for newbies.

Jan, yeah. Even after two weeks, I can lie in bed and think, "something's not right." Hit the button and SMILE. "Good night."

Or my wife can say, "Something doesn't sound right." "Well, it wasn't me!" "No, not that! Your mask." SMILE. "Nope. Still not me!"

[liv2kite]

I am getting a report from a Respironics PR1 and would like to compare w/ a report from S9. Would someone be willing to send me a ResScan 3.11 report from a ResMed S9. If so, please PM me for my email address. Thanks L2K

[liv2kite]

At least the smiley/frowny face gives you immediate feedback and it seems like that would be especially useful for newbies.

Jan, yeah. Even after two weeks, I can lie in bed and think, "something's not right." Hit the button and SMILE. "Good night."

Or my wife can say, "Something doesn't sound right." "Well, it wasn't me!" "No, not that! Your mask." SMILE. "Nope. Still not me!"

SO let me be sure I understand your comment. You DO like the smiley face/frown reasonably well for leak.

Also, is the actual leak rate (L/s or L/min) displayed on the report generated from the downloaded data ?

[Janknitz]

Roman Hokie wrote:
Janknitz wrote:
At least the smiley/frowny face gives you immediate feedback and it seems like that would be especially useful for newbies.

Jan, yeah. Even after two weeks, I can lie in bed and think, "something's not right." Hit the button and SMILE. "Good night."

Or my wife can say, "Something doesn't sound right." "Well, it wasn't me!" "No, not that! Your mask." SMILE. "Nope. Still not me!"

SO let me be sure I understand your comment. You DO like the smiley face/frown reasonably well for leak.

Also, is the actual leak rate (L/s or L/min) displayed on the report generated from the downloaded data ?

At least the smiley/frowny face gives you immediate feedback and it seems like that would be especially useful for newbies.

Jan, yeah. Even after two weeks, I can lie in bed and think, "something's not right." Hit the button and SMILE. "Good night."

Or my wife can say, "Something doesn't sound right." "Well, it wasn't me!" "No, not that! Your mask." SMILE. "Nope. Still not me!"

SO let me be sure I understand your comment. You DO like the smiley face/frown reasonably well for leak.

Also, is the actual leak rate (L/s or L/min) displayed on the report generated from the downloaded data ?

I don't think our friend Roman was talking so much about the machine's function. More like "he who smelt it dealt it"