should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
if I have a range on auto, should the minimum pressure always be at the 90%? or the 90% be on the lower end of that range
otherwise it means that I need to raise the pressure? is that true?
otherwise it means that I need to raise the pressure? is that true?
- DreamStalker
- Posts: 7509
- Joined: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:58 am
- Location: Nowhere & Everywhere At Once
Re: should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
As long as you are certain that leaks are under control and that you are not sensitive to central apnea ... then yes, min pressure on auto should be 90% (or 95% on ResMed autos).
President-pretender, J. Biden, said "the DNC has built the largest voter fraud organization in US history". Too bad they didn’t build the smartest voter fraud organization and got caught.
- cpapernewbie
- Posts: 685
- Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:53 pm
Re: should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
for comfort and leaks control, I prefer to start at 3 points below 90%
My 90% is 9 and I set mu auto range from 6-9
Setting 9 as minmum will be uncomfortable and create more leak problem, more side effects on your eye, ear and mouth due to higher pressure, and aerophagia
This my personal choice
My 90% is 9 and I set mu auto range from 6-9
Setting 9 as minmum will be uncomfortable and create more leak problem, more side effects on your eye, ear and mouth due to higher pressure, and aerophagia
This my personal choice
_________________
Machine: DreamStation Auto CPAP Machine |
Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
Humidifier: DreamStation Heated Humidifier |
Additional Comments: CPAP history: dumb tank, auto, PR M, PR System 1, PR BIPAP, PR System 1 model 60, Resmed S9, Resmed S10, Dreamstation |
Resmed airsense 10
- DreamStalker
- Posts: 7509
- Joined: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:58 am
- Location: Nowhere & Everywhere At Once
Re: should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
The ResMed algorithm has a much more aggressive/faster response ... I would not go below the 90% of a Respironics ... especially if you use any exhalation relief features.
With ResMed I would also avoid going below 95% pressure for min if you are using exhalation relief.
With ResMed I would also avoid going below 95% pressure for min if you are using exhalation relief.
President-pretender, J. Biden, said "the DNC has built the largest voter fraud organization in US history". Too bad they didn’t build the smartest voter fraud organization and got caught.
Re: should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
My OSA was well controlled for a long time with my minimum set 2-3 cm below my 90%. 90% just means you spent 90% of your night at or below this pressure. If I only needed 10 minutes at the higher pressure, there was no point in spending the entire night there. This was with my sleep doc's approval and, as I said, worked really well for me until other things changed and needed a BiPAP.
CG
CG
_________________
Mask: FlexiFit HC432 Full Face CPAP Mask with Headgear |
Additional Comments: This is my current equipment set up |
Previous equipment:
Machine: Respironics M series Auto with A-Flex
Humidifier: Respironics M series Heated Humidifier
Software: Encore Viewer
Machine: Respironics M series Auto with A-Flex
Humidifier: Respironics M series Heated Humidifier
Software: Encore Viewer
Re: should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
We have the same machine. Titration was 13, 90% pressure is usually 12 so the settings on auto are 10.5-13, rarely hitting the max, no Flex. Hope that helps.
_________________
Mask: Mirage Quattro™ Full Face CPAP Mask with Headgear |
Additional Comments: 14/8.4,PS=4, UMFF, 02@2L, |
"Do or Do Not-There Is No Try"-"Yoda"
"We are what we repeatedly do,so excellence
is not an act but a habit"-"Aristotle"
DEAR HUBBY BEGAN CPAP 9/2/08
"We are what we repeatedly do,so excellence
is not an act but a habit"-"Aristotle"
DEAR HUBBY BEGAN CPAP 9/2/08
Re: should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
My 90% is 10. My Dr told me to set my Auto to 8 - 12. Since that I have been having the best results ever with this setting and no aerophagia.
When I raised the minimum from 7 to 8 I had some aerophagia for 2 or 3 days. I think it's not necessary to stay the whole night at the 90% if I don't need it. When I have no leaks my AHI is 0.3 now.
Personally I don't think it is necessary to stay at the 90% the whole night at least you have a CPAP.
When I raised the minimum from 7 to 8 I had some aerophagia for 2 or 3 days. I think it's not necessary to stay the whole night at the 90% if I don't need it. When I have no leaks my AHI is 0.3 now.
Personally I don't think it is necessary to stay at the 90% the whole night at least you have a CPAP.
_________________
Humidifier: S9™ Series H5i™ Heated Humidifier with Climate Control |
Additional Comments: Headrest not modified, Hose Lift System, SleepyHead software. Pressure settings 7 cmH2O constant. |
Re: should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
It depends on the range of pressure you're using and (if you're using software) what type of events are causing your pressure to increase. If your minimum pressure is too low, the numbers......."average" and "90%".......will more than likely move upward as you increase your minimum pressure. Ideally, you want your minimum pressure to be where it takes care of (eliminates) almost all of your apneas and hypopneas. Consequently, there are no easy answers to your questions.williamco wrote:if I have a range on auto, should the minimum pressure always be at the 90%? or the 90% be on the lower end of that range
otherwise it means that I need to raise the pressure? is that true?
Den
(5) REMstar Autos w/C-Flex & (6) REMstar Pro 2 CPAPs w/C-Flex - Pressure Setting = 14 cm.
"Passover" Humidification - ResMed Ultra Mirage FF - Encore Pro w/Card Reader & MyEncore software - Chiroflow pillow
User since 05/14/05
"Passover" Humidification - ResMed Ultra Mirage FF - Encore Pro w/Card Reader & MyEncore software - Chiroflow pillow
User since 05/14/05
Re: should minimum pressure be at the 90th percentile?
Hi All
I agree with Den.
The 90% percentile varies depending on the range of pressure you are using, and can also vary due to particular circumstances during a particular night.
The best pressure, regardless of the 90%, is the one where you have the best sleep and the lowest AHi. I have used the 90% as a guide when trying out cpap, as opposed to auto, and find that cpap works best for me at 1 or 2 cmH2O lower than the 90% reading.
However, I currently use a very narrow range of 11 to 13, unless I am experimenting. The 11 to 13 range produces a 90% reading of either 12 or 13, with an average pressure of 11.5 to 11.9. For me, the average pressure is more important than the 90% pressure, together with checking the night's graph of pressure, events and leaks, with my software.
cheers
Mars
I agree with Den.
The 90% percentile varies depending on the range of pressure you are using, and can also vary due to particular circumstances during a particular night.
The best pressure, regardless of the 90%, is the one where you have the best sleep and the lowest AHi. I have used the 90% as a guide when trying out cpap, as opposed to auto, and find that cpap works best for me at 1 or 2 cmH2O lower than the 90% reading.
However, I currently use a very narrow range of 11 to 13, unless I am experimenting. The 11 to 13 range produces a 90% reading of either 12 or 13, with an average pressure of 11.5 to 11.9. For me, the average pressure is more important than the 90% pressure, together with checking the night's graph of pressure, events and leaks, with my software.
cheers
Mars
for an an easier, cheaper and travel-easy sleep apnea treatment
http://www.cpaptalk.com/viewtopic/t7020 ... rapy-.html

http://www.cpaptalk.com/viewtopic/t7020 ... rapy-.html