All S9 users - Is H5i working ??

[oscar98]

Well dang! That defeats the purpose of "Climate Control " in a way. On would think that you can turn the huminity up and the hose controls the rain out. That's one of the main reason that I got the machine to take the human intervention out of it.

Thanks
Jeff

Well the good news is that even with the humidity at 6 the rainout I experience was NOTHING like anything I had experienced with my previous humidifier set on 2.5. I would not have even noticed it if it hadn't been spurting tiny water drops out the vent and onto my hand when I was exhaling. If you want lots of humidity then you will probably need the climateline hose. However, I've found the running anywhere between 4 and 5 (depending on the humidity in my room) has worked out great without the fancy hose.

I decided to hold off on getting the climateline because I prefer breathing cool (but moist) air. Once fall/winter rolls around I might change my mind though.

[Nord]

Well dang! That defeats the purpose of "Climate Control " in a way. On would think that you can turn the huminity up and the hose controls the rain out. That's one of the main reason that I got the machine to take the human intervention out of it.

Thanks
Jeff

Hi Jeff

Humidity is relative and depends on temp of the moist air. With ClimateControl it is automatic and measures by temp from a sensor near the mask. If you set the temp, where you want, it will give you 80% moisture for that temp and thus no rainout.

If you want cooler air and more moisture... you set to manual (human intervention) and possibly some rainout... I have used manual and not got rainout yet but you have to experiment for yourself.

After reading an article provided by KatieW... I have upped the temp to 80 Deg and Auto... only 3 nights so I('m just getting used to it.

Nord

[oscar98]

If you want cooler air and more moisture... you set to manual (human intervention) and possibly some rainout... I have used manual and not got rainout yet but you have to experiment for yourself.

After reading an article provided by KatieW... I have upped the temp to 80 Deg and Auto... only 3 nights so I('m just getting used to it.

Nord

Hey Nord, quick question for ya.

I prefer quite a bit of humidity but with cool air. I like having the humidity at 6 but get rainout without having the climate hose. If I get a climate hose would I be able to control the rainout without heating the air up? I just assumed having the heated hose would mean having warm humidity.

[KatieW]

When I was in Arizona, where the humidity is 25%, I had the H5i on Auto and 80 degrees. I assumed it was doing it's job, because I got no rainout. I had a little mouth dryness, but thought it was just me (meds, not hydrated enough, etc).

However, now that I'm back in Washington, where the humidity is 40%, I was experiencing very dry mouth, with even the roof of my mouth very dry. I tried taping my mouth, to eliminate the possibility of mouth breathing, and it didn't make any difference. The bedroom is usually 70 degrees.

For the past week, I have been experimenting with different Manual settings, and keeping detailed notes.

On Auto and 80 degrees, my H5i was using 6 ounces of water for a 8 hour night. On the Manual setting, it has used from 7 to 9 ounces, depending on the settings. So I am using more water, and getting more humidity on Manual. And, sometimes a little more than I want, with mask rainout.

I devised a fleece hoodie for my Headrest Nasal pillows, and alternate with the SoftGel rather than the Activa Lt, since it's more prone to rainout, until I can figure out how to make a cover for it.

My best results so far are with a setting of 5 and 78 degrees. At that setting my mouth and throat are only a little dry, and minimal rainout (just a few small drops in the mask, but not in my nose).

The experiment will continue.

[Nord]

Hey Nord, quick question for ya.

I prefer quite a bit of humidity but with cool air. I like having the humidity at 6 but get rainout without having the climate hose. If I get a climate hose would I be able to control the rainout without heating the air up? I just assumed having the heated hose would mean having warm humidity.

It depends on your room setting. The "secret" is that warmer air holds more moisture, so... a heated hose will allow more moisture through the hose until it hits something colder. If you keep your room cold or even cooler... then you might get some rainout. Generally, I have found that the S9 does not put as much water into the hose... probably due to smaller diameter hose and obstructions of ClimateLine which slows down Flow and thus moisture.

You would have to experiment and compare as Katie is doing, to see if ClimateLine with some heat or SlimLine with a cozy, is better for getting the moisture to you nose w/o droplets. One other fly in the ointment: according to the latest article that I have read... the nose collects the moisture on the exhale so, the moist hot air on exhale, meets the moist cool air from the mask and adds more moisture inside the mask... probably rain

This is some theory and some fact... experimentation is the only sure way to tell. And that will change every night...

Sorry about the bad news.

Nord

[oscar98]

One other fly in the ointment: according to the latest article that I have read... the nose collects the moisture on the exhale so, the moist hot air on exhale, meets the moist cool air from the mask and adds more moisture inside the mask... probably rain

Nord

Thanks for pointing that out. I bet that's what my problem is because the most prominent place for my moisture problem is the little puddle I'm getting in the bottom of my mask.

[elena88]

So far so good with mine, just been a few days though!

[ww]

I am using the S9 autoset with H5i humidifier and ClimateControl Hose. I really like the way it works. Set on Auto and 80 degrees and it uses about 1/2 tank of distilled water. I am sure that everyone realizes that if your room temperature is 75 degrees and you set your humidifier to deliver 75 degree air, that very very little water will be added to the air. The heated hose works very well and was one of the many reasons the S9 is proving so popular with many of us.

[elena88]

SPOKE TO SOON!

ITS NOT WORKING AT ALL.. HEATING PLATE IS FREEZING COLD..

Would not have known, if hubby was not in the dog house tonight, and he let me torture him with my apap for
an hour..

I have had the humidity up to five for three hours, checked everything... its now a nice fish tank for artic krill.

[oscar98]

SPOKE TO SOON!

ITS NOT WORKING AT ALL.. HEATING PLATE IS FREEZING COLD..

Would not have known, if hubby was not in the dog house tonight, and he let me torture him with my apap for
an hour..

I have had the humidity up to five for three hours, checked everything... its now a nice fish tank for artic krill.

Try running the prewarm cycle to confirm that it does heat up.

[Nord]

If you are in doubt about your H5i working properly... depending on your DME... they will want to know whats wrong...

Its worth re-posting some tests that started this thread and got my machine replaced... twice.

Nord

Are you sure your H5i is working the way it should ???
Mine hasn't and there has been a sprinkling of others with concerns...

Past several nights awakened with dry throat and cold air/ so cold it hurts a little deep in your throat. House temp set for 67 deg at night and 71 deg during the day... no windows open.
Set for Auto Climate on S9 set at 82 deg... then at 76... then 68... then 86... then I'm up. Feel the plate below the tank and its cold, very cold.
Never get rainout/ moisture in tube or mask.
Uses very little water and with Humidifier always ON... I have never run out and water would last, perhaps a week, if I left it.

I replaced the H5i about 3 weeks ago when the original humidifier did the same thing.
The following week replaced the S9 to make sure that wasn't the problem.
Contacted the DME to have the ResMed rep get some answers... still waiting since last week.

This AM I did some tests:
Removed the ClimateLine to "wipe" the contacts and make sure that part was working... it registers on the S9 as being engaged.
Removed and replaced the H5i to again "wipe" the contacts... it registers on the S9 as being engaged.
(before you ask) Power outlet running full 120 volts to single outlet in good working order.

TEST #1
Set to Climate Control to ON... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 80 deg and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #2
Set to Climate Control to ON... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 86 deg (Max) and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #3
Set to Climate Control to ON... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 72 deg and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #4
Set to Climate Control to MANUAL... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 86 deg; Set Humidity to OFF; and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #5
Set to Climate Control to MANUAL... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 86 deg; Set Humidity to 0.5; and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #6
Set to Climate Control to MANUAL... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 86 deg; Set Humidity to 6.0; and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #7
Set Warm-up to ON for 3 minutes and Temp to 86 deg
1. run 5 minutes
2. feel heated ClimateLine... warm to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... HOT, not warm, HOT

Any thoughts... have you checked yours ???

Nord

[elena88]

thanks for all of that, working on it now..
I have a sore throat now from all that cold air..
no wonder I couldnt sing!

EDIT.. We got it to work now, it kept shutting off everytime I checked a different setting, so have to fix that?
thank you soooooooooo much!

another edit: tried for a long time to get it to work last night, no luck!
still trouble shooting..

I only have a regular hose, dme said slim line was not included with the machine. We dont use our central heating, but its been
chilly at night, so the air in the tube is REALLY cold! This is so unpleasant!
I disconnected the humidifier last night..

We also dont have the heated hose, we turned off the climate control so we could set the humidifier independantly, and it still
wont work. The plate gets warm, but not warm enough to heat the air or humidify it..

[jlgwinn]

All test failed for me..even #7, my hose never got warm to the touch even after running for 15 minutes. The base however did get warm to the touch on warm up. Guess I'll be making a call Monday to my DME.

Jeff

If you are in doubt about your H5i working properly... depending on your DME... they will want to know whats wrong...

Its worth re-posting some tests that started this thread and got my machine replaced... twice.

Nord

Are you sure your H5i is working the way it should ???
Mine hasn't and there has been a sprinkling of others with concerns...

Past several nights awakened with dry throat and cold air/ so cold it hurts a little deep in your throat. House temp set for 67 deg at night and 71 deg during the day... no windows open.
Set for Auto Climate on S9 set at 82 deg... then at 76... then 68... then 86... then I'm up. Feel the plate below the tank and its cold, very cold.
Never get rainout/ moisture in tube or mask.
Uses very little water and with Humidifier always ON... I have never run out and water would last, perhaps a week, if I left it.

I replaced the H5i about 3 weeks ago when the original humidifier did the same thing.
The following week replaced the S9 to make sure that wasn't the problem.
Contacted the DME to have the ResMed rep get some answers... still waiting since last week.

This AM I did some tests:
Removed the ClimateLine to "wipe" the contacts and make sure that part was working... it registers on the S9 as being engaged.
Removed and replaced the H5i to again "wipe" the contacts... it registers on the S9 as being engaged.
(before you ask) Power outlet running full 120 volts to single outlet in good working order.

TEST #1
Set to Climate Control to ON... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 80 deg and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #2
Set to Climate Control to ON... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 86 deg (Max) and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #3
Set to Climate Control to ON... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 72 deg and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #4
Set to Climate Control to MANUAL... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 86 deg; Set Humidity to OFF; and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #5
Set to Climate Control to MANUAL... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 86 deg; Set Humidity to 0.5; and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #6
Set to Climate Control to MANUAL... ClimateLine Engaged and set temp to 86 deg; Set Humidity to 6.0; and turn on Flow for S9...
1. run 10 minutes at pressure with dry resistance at end of the tube
2. feel heated ClimateLine... no warmth to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... COLD, not cool, COLD

TEST #7
Set Warm-up to ON for 3 minutes and Temp to 86 deg
1. run 5 minutes
2. feel heated ClimateLine... warm to touch.
3. Stop S9, lift tank out and feel heater plate below... HOT, not warm, HOT

Any thoughts... have you checked yours ???

Nord

[robmax]

Sounds like the vaunted $1000+ S9 needs some more tweaking. Back to the lab, Resmed Boys and Girls. Right now I am so happy I got the S8 (at the reduced price) and didn't wait for the new one.

[manas]

Nord: Did you hear from the rep *why* your newer H5i is supposed to be working better?

My ClimateLine was on backorder when I got my S9 Apr 6, so I used 10 year old hose with my diamond-plated S9 for the first 2 weeks, with a manual humidity level of 3.0. When I got my ClimateLine hose 2 weeks ago, I thought the first night was better, but since then have never found it to be warm, and saw drops of water inside my FX today. My humidifier/water is cold every morning.

I have done the following tests:

a) disconnect ClimateLine, set humidity to 6.0, and hit WarmUp. The water warmed up.
b) recommect ClimateLine, set at Auto, remove water container. Warm air through the hose.

So I assumed things were working, but I have no way of proving that the ClimateLine really works. The Bay Area has humidity in the 35%-45% all spring/summer, so maybe the H5I decides that no heating is needed.

Hence my query. How do you know why it is working now?

Manas