Night#1 with new S9 SD question and an observation

[Kickthefog]

[quote="Take a look at page two of this document (link below). Its looks like you need to be inserting the micro SD card into RESMED USB drive. Why are you using your own card reader?

http://tinyurl.com/yepmepk[/quote]


Yep, using my own sd card reader. i thought an sd card reader is an sd card reader but perhaps not? could it be that the resmed card reader has a littel something extra in it that the software is looking for? although, still perplexing is the fact that when i insert the card into the machine is says READING data, not copying. not sure how to get it to copy. s8's just "did it" when inserted.
Pat

[Ms.Snuffleupagus]

Hi Pat,
Now I am only guessing and am not tech savvy, but maybe you have to save your machine settings/select device on the card by using ResScan BEFORE using the card to save data. I know with ResScan 3.7 you can go to select device...then it will say connected to device...then you can set your pressure settings etc.

Maybe you have to use ResScan first with the card and card reader attached and go to "select device" etc ..and then plug the card into the machine and see what happens....maybe it will then say "saving data" ????

[Arizona-Willie]

With the S8 you have to put the card in the card reader upside down ( at least in the Resmed branded reader ) cause they have flipped things around.

Perhaps they did that in the Resmed USB drive thing they show.

I have a feeling someone is going to have to get ahold of one and open it up and see what they have done.

I have a feeling though that we won't find the Resmed USB drives at Best Buy or anywhere else that riff raff can get them to download their own data.

Right now I'm a very unhappy camper waiting for my S9 and thinking it isn't going to work out. If I had known this I would not have ordered it.

[Kickthefog]

Hi Pat,
Now I am only guessing and am not tech savvy, but maybe you have to save your machine settings/select device on the card by using ResScan BEFORE using the card to save data. I know with ResScan 3.7 you can go to select device...then it will say connected to device...then you can set your pressure settings etc.

Maybe you have to use ResScan first with the card and card reader attached and go to "select device" etc ..and then plug the card into the machine and see what happens....maybe it will then say "saving data" ????

Excellent idea. i can give that a whirl and see what happens. thanks for the idea Ms.Snuffleupagus.

Also, Arizona-Willie, i'm with ya bud. I'm a tad cranky now becuase as you know, it was no small hunk of change, and i'm accustomed to going over my data with a fine tooth comb daily. But i'm thinking this will all be ok once we work through this. hmmm interesting....I'm also beginning to doubt the realiability of my sd card reader i have now becuase as i am typing this, right now, i tried to read the card both in windows and in rescan and now i see nothing. Earlier i read the card in windows just fine, but now i see nothing. sheesh... maybe its my card reader thats the issue.

Well, enough is enough.... I'll head to wal-mart tomorrow to get me an inexpensive new sd card reader so i can eliminate my reader as a variable and try Ms.Snuffleupagus' recommendation. I will report back on the latest in this saga then.

Pat

[Kickthefog]

check this out folks... gonna post and ask him what he is using for a card reader. seems like he is fine.

viewtopic/t49864/ResMed-S9-Autoset--The-Unboxing.html

[dsm]

ACK!!!

Looks like they may have found a way to keep patients from monitoring their own data

I have a gizmo that I plug the SD card from a camera into and that plugs into a USB port, but their little device may have some proprietary circuitry and mine may not work.

They may sell the USB adapter only to sleep labs and sleep doctors directly from Resmed in which case we are all in a world of hurt.

People are going to be very very very mad.

A-W
I doubt that they would bother to hide the data. They never did with the SM cards in the ResLink modules.
I was always able to read those cards (& still do) with a $10 el-cheapo SM reader.
I am sure someone already posted today showing what files they read off their SD card on their computer.


DSM

[DreamDiver]

check this out folks... gonna post and ask him what he is using for a card reader. seems like he is fine.

viewtopic/t49864/ResMed-S9-Autoset--The-Unboxing.html

I'm pretty sure the makers of the SD cards compel all industry designers adhere to the standards of a normal SD card reader. Think about it: if everyone were to make there own proprietary SD card format, nobody's cards would work in other devices. That's bad design, and the industry standard creators would likely take away ResMed's license to spec for SD cards if they tried it. There are two kinds of SD card readers I know of: the old kind that can only read cards formatted as FAT32 up to 2GB, and the new kind that can read the older FAT32 cards and the newer NTFS formatted cards (SDHD - up to 32GB now, I think). If the S9 is doing the formatting, it should automatically be FAT32. Maybe it was originally RAW because it hadn't been formatted yet - I'm not sure.

My laptop is old. It has a FAT32, non-SDHD card reader in it. I had to buy an external SDHD card reader. It's very fast at file transfer compared to the one internal to my laptop. However, the laptop's internal reader seems to be sufficient to read the card.

I think any SD card reader should be able to read the card that came with the ResMed S9.

[Arizona-Willie]

Looks like I probably panicked when someone was having trouble getting his SD card to work.

Hope so.

But it appears that < probably > a standard SD card reader will work.

Reckon I'm just too suspicious of the outfits that make these, especially Resmed.

But, if Resmed made their data inaccessible, people would simply buy Respironics.
No problem getting data from their new machine.

We need to get the machine makers to compete on the basis of who can produce the MOST data.

[DreamDiver]

Found this pdf about the S9 sd card.

365 summary sessions
30 detailed sessions
7 high-rate detailed sessions

So, unlike the M-Series pro, there seem to be 3 levels of round-robin data being recorded, with the oldest data being destroyed as newer data becomes available when limits have been reached. 'Sessions' does not equal 'days', I'm assuming.

I woke up and immediately removed the card to put it in my machine this morning. No data - just the stuff that was in there to begin with. Hmmm...
I think I'll wait until afternoon and see what happens.

[Satsleep]

Does anyone have the Clinicians Manual for the S9? The answer to how to get the data out has to be inside. If it is not being included with the US versions bought over the internet then what about from other countries? What does our host say about how to get the information out of the machine? Surely someone can help.

[Slinky]

... Reckon I'm just too suspicious of the outfits that make these, especially Resmed. ....

Willie, if you are so suspicious of Resmed, WHY ON EARTH did you buy one???

[Uncle_Bob]

It looks like resmed have their own proprietary USB circuitry. The actual reader may be standard but the USB connector may be different. Its like my CMS oximeter i have to connect it using their USB cable and not a standard one that i use to download photos from my camera.

If you can't find a standard reader that works, you might want to try one that does not connect via USB, like a reader built into an actual PC. If all else fails we will need to purchase either

SD Card Reader
36931

OR

S9 USB Adapter
(including Cable)
36950

to transfer the data from the card

cpap.com does not have either.

you may return your unopened S9 machine to cpap.com but they will charge you a 15% restocking fee.

[Uncle_Bob]

Hi,

Just noticed this posted on another board

The SD card that fits the S9 is a Scandisk type memory card rather than smartmedia chip. it's one of the most common cards and fits many cameras. Modern computers come with slots for the various cards and this is the most common. I have one on my PC and Laptop. If the Resscan program is running it just opens the data once you put the memory card in a slot.

[jmelby]

It looks like DreamDiver got the summary data just fine:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=49864&start=15

I think his issue getting the detail data was the ResMed software quirk where you need to go into another dialog that you really, really want "All" data including detail. Either that or it is the setting on the machine that he mentions, though I am betting that is just for the user display on the machine.

So... I am doubting (hoping not) that the speculation about needing a special USB reader for the card is really the case.

[Kickthefog]

Well, enough is enough.... I'll head to wal-mart tomorrow to get me an inexpensive new sd card reader so i can eliminate my reader as a variable and try Ms.Snuffleupagus' recommendation. I will report back on the latest in this saga then.

Pat

I got my new card reader and all is well! i have teh last 2 nights of data (full data) on the card and it took right off both in windows and in rescan 3.1. it was just as easy as reading data from the s8 card with card reader. same deal. so the fact that the machine says: READING CARD instead of COPYING or whatever, matters not. data was there. and i'm a happy camper. so my sd card reader was to blame for my mess.

Hope others have issue free downloads as well. although i see more and more of us adding info as we go along now that quite a few of us have sprung for the S9.

Pat