Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

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Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by JockLitt » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:54 pm

Last Friday, during an apnea, my oxymeter measured my heart rate shooting up to 199 for about 15 seconds. A few days before that it went to 127. Does this happen to anyone else or should I be worried?
I tried to upload the oxymeter image from Photobucket but when I hit the preview button I got the following message:

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First of all - is the heart thing normal, and secondly, what am I doing wrong with the upload?

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by DreamStalker » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:14 pm

It depends.

If there was a desaturation of O2 associated with the spike, it is not normal and not good .... indicates you had an AI or HI event.

If there was no O2 desat associated, prolly were just having an exciting dream/nightmare.
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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by dsm » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:25 pm

JockLitt wrote:Last Friday, during an apnea, my oxymeter measured my heart rate shooting up to 199 for about 15 seconds. A few days before that it went to 127. Does this happen to anyone else or should I be worried?
I tried to upload the oxymeter image from Photobucket but when I hit the preview button I got the following message:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, [no address given] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

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First of all - is the heart thing normal, and secondly, what am I doing wrong with the upload?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Some comments re this. My own charts show night after night, well spaced but consistent HR spikes. Look in the below linked to chart for some samples I took some time ago. What can be noted is that when SpO2 drops, there may or may not be a spike in HR & sometimes when there is a spike in HR there is also a spike upward in SpO2.

http://www.internetage.ws/cpapdata/menu_130107.html

http://www.internetage.ws/cpapdata/menu_0821.html

http://www.internetage.ws/cpapdata/menu_0822.html

Hopefully these examples will ease your mind re HR spikes.

Also, one reason that posts get rejected with server error is that you have inadvertently inserted characters or words that the server interprets as SQL (database) requests & these trip it up. It is a persistent problem with the software being used. Examples of characters
and words that cause this are use of cross-hatch symbol (pound?) & ampersand symbol & usually followed by an SQL keyword. It can be a PITB try to work out which symbols/words caused the failure. I usually find my way around the cause but only after lots of this happening.

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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by rjjayrt » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:37 pm

A Heart Rate of 199 is never normal under any circumstances. Heart rates that high are usually associated with Atrial Fibrillation, or Supra Ventricular Tachycardia. If it were truely 199 you should make your physician aware of it immeadiately.

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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by timbalionguy » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:43 pm

Rates that high suggest something like paroxysnormal supraaricular (PSAT) or supraventricular (PSVT) tachycardia. These are fairly common conditions, and PSAT especially is annoying but generally harmless. I have PSAT, and my heart occasionally will race, sometimes for no apparent reason. Things that can trigger it is stimulants like chocolate or caffiene, stress, or in my case, laying on my left side or 'coming down' from an extended stressful period.

If these spikes are not associated with any significant O2 desaturation (there's probably a little), tell your doctor about it when you have an opportunity. If you are seeing anything more than a minor O2 sat change, contact your doctor.
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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by DreamStalker » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:52 pm

dsm wrote:
JockLitt wrote:Last Friday, during an apnea, my oxymeter measured my heart rate shooting up to 199 for about 15 seconds. A few days before that it went to 127. Does this happen to anyone else or should I be worried?
I tried to upload the oxymeter image from Photobucket but when I hit the preview button I got the following message:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, [no address given] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

First of all - is the heart thing normal, and secondly, what am I doing wrong with the upload?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Some comments re this. My own charts show night after night, well spaced but consistent HR spikes. Look in the below linked to chart for some samples I took some time ago. What can be noted is that when SpO2 drops, there may or may not be a spike in HR & sometimes when there is a spike in HR there is also a spike upward in SpO2.

http://www.internetage.ws/cpapdata/menu_130107.html

http://www.internetage.ws/cpapdata/menu_0821.html

http://www.internetage.ws/cpapdata/menu_0822.html

Hopefully these examples will ease your mind re HR spikes.

Also, one reason that posts get rejected with server error is that you have inadvertently inserted characters or words that the server interprets as SQL (database) requests & these trip it up. It is a persistent problem with the software being used. Examples of characters
and words that cause this are use of cross-hatch symbol (pound?) & ampersand symbol & usually followed by an SQL keyword. It can be a PITB try to work out which symbols/words caused the failure. I usually find my way around the cause but only after lots of this happening.

Cheers

DSM
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Except for the first link, none of your plots show any significant desats. The first link shows only 2 desats around 4:40 and 5:00 that also correlate to off-the-chart negative HR spikes. So either you died twice that night or those two spikes are error blips (usually associated w/ tossing and turning) ... my best guess is that you did not die.

So, the only time HR spikes (poistive) are bad are when they correlate to significant SPO desats (dips of 10% or more). The others are either dreams or errors.

UPDATE: I agree with others that Jock should let his doc know ... especially if it is going that high every night.
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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by Autopapdude » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:15 pm

A Heart Rate of 199 is never normal under any circumstances. Heart rates that high are usually associated with Atrial Fibrillation, or Supra Ventricular Tachycardia. If it were truely 199 you should make your physician aware of it immeadiately.
You are NOT a doctor. This is misinformation. It is most likely a calculational error, absent of other symptoms. SVT and AF are extremely serious conditions and you are in NO position to even suggest to someone that they have it. Suggesting that over the internet, or diagnosing it as such is dangerous abuse of a little knowledge. Please disregard this nonsense OP, and do ask your doctor if it needs follow up, but only if you are worried. DO you have an existing heart condition?

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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by DreamStalker » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:21 pm

Autopapdude wrote:
A Heart Rate of 199 is never normal under any circumstances. Heart rates that high are usually associated with Atrial Fibrillation, or Supra Ventricular Tachycardia. If it were truely 199 you should make your physician aware of it immeadiately.
You are NOT a doctor. This is misinformation. It is most likely a calculational error, absent of other symptoms. SVT and AF are extremely serious conditions and you are in NO position to even suggest to someone that they have it. Suggesting that over the internet, or diagnosing it as such is dangerous abuse of a little knowledge. Please disregard this nonsense OP, and do ask your doctor if it needs follow up, but only if you are worried. DO you have an existing heart condition?

Dude. He said for him to make his doc aware of it. I don't see how it is dangerous. It's not like he was Rx'd 100 mg of metropolol and come back in 3 months to see how everything is. I think it is good advice for him to make aware of his doctor whether forum members are docs or not.
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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by JockLitt » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:29 pm

Hi guys,

No luck yet with uploading the code. I was diagnosed by one cardiologist years ago with ventricular tachicardia. That diagnoses was subsequently changed to a right bundle branch block. I don't take anything for it. The doc said that the electrical impulses make their way around the block as far as I can remember.

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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by rjjayrt » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:30 pm

I'm assuming its better to assume the worse and hope for the best. As for nonsense, how are you going to feel if it is something serious and he takes your advise and does nothing. There are no cardiograms, no past history to speak of and no clear info on what is going on. Since I see these conditions everyday and a significant amount of my patients/clients have these conditions, I know enough to know its not worth guessing its nothing serious and doing nothing about it. I certainly agree that I'm not a physician....are you, because your doing the same as I am, just in reverse....

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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by DreamStalker » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:32 pm

JockLitt wrote:Hi guys,

No luck yet with uploading the code. I was diagnosed by one cardiologist years ago with ventricular tachicardia. That diagnoses was subsequently changed to a right bundle branch block. I don't take anything for it. The doc said that the electrical impulses make their way around the block as far as I can remember.

You may want to supplement with magnesium and potassium for good insurance that the electrical signals are optimal.
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Post by dsm » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:50 pm

DreamStalker wrote: <snip>

my best guess is that you did not die.

<snip>
DreamStalker,

I am sooo relieved to hear that

Re those 2 anomalies - I recall knowing why they happened at the time but have since forgotten the specifics

Tks

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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by Autopapdude » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:51 pm

Hi guys,

No luck yet with uploading the code. I was diagnosed by one cardiologist years ago with ventricular tachicardia. That diagnoses was subsequently changed to a right bundle branch block. I don't take anything for it. The doc said that the electrical impulses make their way around the block as far as I can remember.
If you have bundle branch block, and electrical impulse conduction issues, I would definitely make a cardiologist aware of it. However, in no way would I attempt to scare you into thinking you have a dangerous tach issue. Please do get it checked, as a matter of routine. There are lots of treatments for it that work well.
I'm assuming its better to assume the worse and hope for the best. As for nonsense, how are you going to feel if it is something serious and he takes your advise and does nothing. There are no cardiograms, no past history to speak of and no clear info on what is going on. Since I see these conditions everyday and a significant amount of my patients/clients have these conditions, I know enough to know its not worth guessing its nothing serious and doing nothing about it. I certainly agree that I'm not a physician....are you, because your doing the same as I am, just in reverse....
We have been through this before with you. YOU make medical determinations off the cuff, when you're not trained to do so. Keep doing that, and you are practicing medicine w/o a license. "Assuming the worst" is scaring the s*&^T out of somebody, when they need a professional opinion, and you're so far from that, it is absurd.

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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by Agape=Love » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:57 pm

I would consult an Electrophysiologist as they are specialist in this area.

Your cardiologist should have recomendations if he has not suggested this perhaps you could suggest it to him.

IMO

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Re: Is My Heart Rate Spike Normal Or Do I Have A Problem

Post by DreamStalker » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:48 pm

Autopapdude wrote:
Hi guys,

No luck yet with uploading the code. I was diagnosed by one cardiologist years ago with ventricular tachicardia. That diagnoses was subsequently changed to a right bundle branch block. I don't take anything for it. The doc said that the electrical impulses make their way around the block as far as I can remember.
If you have bundle branch block, and electrical impulse conduction issues, I would definitely make a cardiologist aware of it. However, in no way would I attempt to scare you into thinking you have a dangerous tach issue. Please do get it checked, as a matter of routine. There are lots of treatments for it that work well.
I'm assuming its better to assume the worse and hope for the best. As for nonsense, how are you going to feel if it is something serious and he takes your advise and does nothing. There are no cardiograms, no past history to speak of and no clear info on what is going on. Since I see these conditions everyday and a significant amount of my patients/clients have these conditions, I know enough to know its not worth guessing its nothing serious and doing nothing about it. I certainly agree that I'm not a physician....are you, because your doing the same as I am, just in reverse....
We have been through this before with you. YOU make medical determinations off the cuff, when you're not trained to do so. Keep doing that, and you are practicing medicine w/o a license. "Assuming the worst" is scaring the s*&^T out of somebody, when they need a professional opinion, and you're so far from that, it is absurd.
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