An Intro to the Australian Health Care System

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An Intro to the Australian Health Care System

Post by blarg » Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:30 am

A couple people have asked me for a comparison US to Australian health systems. First, a bit about me. I grew up in the US and I've lived in Australia for 2 and a half years. I'm 26 years old, and by no means an expert on either system, I've just used them both. Neither is perfect.

As far as the health care debate in the US, I don't live there, and it doesn't directly effect me, so I don't much care. There are other laws in the US that are a higher priority to me to change. I think there are lots of systems in the world that are working much better than the US system, and I don't understand why you'se don't just take some of those ideas and run with them.

General Organisation

In the US, providers are private. Each is in business, and they charge per service that they provide. To help people cope with high costs of many services (particularly catastrophic illness or injury), health insurance companies exist. They are regulated, but determine who they insure, and can charge based on almost anything they want.

In Australia, providers are also private. The only exception to this is hospitals, some of which are private and some of which are public. Each is in business, and they charge for services that they provide. They determine what they want to charge, and compete for patients based on cost, quality, etc.

The government has a program called Medicare, which pays a pre-determined amount for various procedures/consultations/services. The amounts are revised periodically. Some providers charge above what Medicare pays (called the scheduled amount), while some decide that they'd rather have the higher amount of patients, and they heavily advertise that they "bulk bill" which means they don't even bother billing you for the procedure, they simply send the bill to Medicare and get reimbursed from the government.

As I mentioned earlier, there are two kinds of hospitals, public and private. Public hospitals are paid for by the state government and going there is either free, or very very low cost. The trade off is, of course, waiting times. For non-life-threatening procedures, waiting times can be up to a year. If your condition is life-threatening, you get top notch care immediately.

Private hospitals are paid for outside of the public system. You have the option of purchasing private health insurance. This insurance operates in conjunction with your Medicare (NOT instead of), and pays for extras like optical and dental, as well as stays in private hospitals. Because they're competing with free, they often give you lots of extras, including private rooms, longer monitoring periods before they discharge you, short to non-existent waiting periods, and they try to provide "better" care.

Private Health Insurance

Private health coverage steps in when Medicare doesn't, covering you in private hospitals, and covering extras. Most private heath insurance companies require you wait various periods before you can claim different extras.

An interesting difference is the difference between an excess and a deductible. Here, you can elect to pay an excess to reduce your premiums, but this excess only kicks in when you get admitted to a private hospital, not for any of your extras. My current excess is $200, and I pay $105.10 per month. This also includes $100 per year in an account I can use to pay medical expenses of any kind.

Immigration

Medicare is paid for by taxes, so what about people that have just moved to the country? How do we make it fair to prevent people coming in and mooching off of the system?

If you're here on a temporary visa, you do not get Medicare. You are supposed to purchase Medicare equivalent insurance. This is insurance that pays the same as (and possibly more than) Medicare. Once you are granted a permanent visa (like a green card), you become eligible for Medicare.

Cost

One of the most important factors in healthcare is how much it costs you. I'm no expert. My personal experience is that it's much much cheaper here. Taxes are higher though, so does it even out?

Here's a pretty picture:

Total Health Expenditures Per Capita, U.S. and Selected Countries, 2003
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Well, I guess it's not pretty if you live in the US.

That was sourced from the Kaiser Family Foundation. I have no idea what their bias is, nor do I claim it's objective. I simply don't know enough about the statistics. Feel free to do your own research. Here's where it came from: http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm

So, I can't really comment much more on price other than my own experiences, which I've added at the bottom.

Pre Existing Conditions

Because I have a pre-existing condition, when I first rang up the insurance company here, I was nervous. How much would they charge me? They asked me my birth date, name, address, sex, and credit card details. Voila, I had health insurance. Turns out that in Australia, it's actually illegal to charge people more based on any sort of health condition. They can charge more based on sex and age, but can't ask you about your medical history. I think at the very least, the US needs this.

A Few Examples

These are a few personal examples I have of interactions with the Aussie health care system.

Skin Tag
I had a particularly annoying skin tag on my back that I wanted to get removed. I went to the medical centre, gave them my details, and ended up waiting about a half hour with no appointment. The doctor gave me anaesthetic, cut it off, and then cauterised the wound. I signed a piece of paper on the way out, and left. Medicare was billed $34 for a consultation, and $86 for the removal of the actual skin tag.

Sleep Doctor Appointments
I needed to be referred to a sleep doctor, so I went down to the medical centre. They gave me a referral. Medicare paid $34 for a consultation.

I then had my appointment with the sleep doctor. This doctor does not bulk bill, and charged me $180 for the appointment out of pocket. After the appointment, I went to Medicare and made a claim. The Medicare scheduled rate for a specialist appointment was $111 roughly, and I received that in cash from Medicare.

Catastrophic Care
My partner's father had a stroke. He was brought to a public hospital by an ambulance and triaged in the ER. He received a drug to thin his blood along with the usual ER care. When he came to, he could not move the left side of his body. He spent around 2 weeks (I don't remember the exact amount of time) in the hospital recovering and going through therapy, and then spent a further 4 weeks in monitored care where he got physical therapy attempting to help him learn to grab, chew, swallow, speak, and generally live again.

He received all medications that he needed, lots of specialist care, and has recovered completely. Total cost, $0.

Optical
I wear glasses. Eye tests are covered by Medicare (one per year), so the test was free. I then chose a set of frames, and got middle of the road lenses. Total cost for frames + lenses was around $350. My private health insurance with optical extras kicked in and I needed to pay $70.

Side note: Medicare apparently will get you glasses if you need them, but they're the ugliest possible black frames.

Lap Band
I have a friend that had recently got a lap band. She did have private health cover, but because it's not medically necessary, she still ended up paying around $5,500 for the procedure out of pocket. If she didn't have private cover, she could have gone public, but there would have been a wait time of over a year, and it would cost around $8,000.

Overall

Personally, I prefer Australia's system. It's not perfect. Particularly people from the US tend to complain that it's hard to get in to see a specific GP, as in you don't have that trusted family doctor that knows everything about you. Most people here go to a medical centre and get appointments with a particular doctor, but if that doctor is busy or not in when they come in without an appointment, someone else will see them and take care of them.

Also, dental cover is a big hole in the system here that is widely acknowledged. I just purchase private cover, and my dental cover is fine, but if you were poor, this wouldn't be an option.

Finally, there is the concept of a Medicare Levy. This is an additional tax that people pay if they're over 30, make a certain amount of money, and don't have a basic private health cover. This is an attempt to move some of the burden off of the public system and also to subsidise the private system to ensure there are options out there. Personally, I see no issue with it.

I think if you have lots of money, the US system is probably better for you. You'd have amazing insurance and be able to get (basically) whatever you want. For me, I'm bloody happy that I have a place I can go for the rest of my life where I'll be able to get medical care at sane prices.
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Post by nobody » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:18 am

Wow very comprehensive post, I like it!

About health care access and payment systems in general...I think people have to keep in mind that there will never be a perfectly fair system. The fact is the resources are limited and so there will always have to be some sort of rationing which must be balanced with technological advancement. With that said, it doesn't mean we shouldn't always try to improve access and fairness in health care. I really believe that health care is one of those things we should all work together on to bring our society up to a higher quality of living.

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Post by Kiralynx » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:37 pm

Thanks so much for a detailed and interesting post!

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Post by JeffH » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:34 pm

Thanks Blarg. I passed that on to several friends and family to check out.

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Post by sleepycarol » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:03 pm

A quick question if you don't mind Blarg.

I was visiting my doctor recently and we got to talking about health care in Canada, Great Britian, etc.

She has visited Great Britian on several occasions and likes the country very much. But when talking about their health care system, she said it stank as when you reach a certain age, if I remember it was 55, if you have a catastrophic illness, etc. you are pretty much out of luck as they see you as "being end of life." She stated they would keep you comfortable, etc. but for example if you had a diagnosis of cancer, little treatment would be done so that younger members of society could benefit.

I do not personally know anything about other health care systems -- but I am 54 and don't want to think of my life ending abruptly just cause the government doesn't think I would be a worthwhile citizen as I was "too old".
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Post by nobody » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:58 pm

Assuming what you say is true, you know we have the same (in terms of end-result) rationing here, it just takes another form. If you get sick with something that is expensive to treat and you don't have the money to pay or your insurance refuses to pay then you can go to hospice where you will be made comfortable until you die. I'm not sure I understand why it seems a terrible thing when it's a single payer system rationing but it's not bad when it's a free market system rationing. Is it because it's easy to blame it on the victim in a free market system? Every system will have some form of rationing, you can't escape it, it's basic economics. Also, I don't think the systems you speak of bar people who have other means to pay from seeking treatment on their own. The government may say that they aren't paying but wouldn't stop you from finding some other means of payment. I have friends in both countries who have paid cash for care they couldn't get from the national systems in their country.

sleepycarol wrote:A quick question if you don't mind Blarg.

I was visiting my doctor recently and we got to talking about health care in Canada, Great Britian, etc.

She has visited Great Britian on several occasions and likes the country very much. But when talking about their health care system, she said it stank as when you reach a certain age, if I remember it was 55, if you have a catastrophic illness, etc. you are pretty much out of luck as they see you as "being end of life." She stated they would keep you comfortable, etc. but for example if you had a diagnosis of cancer, little treatment would be done so that younger members of society could benefit.

I do not personally know anything about other health care systems -- but I am 54 and don't want to think of my life ending abruptly just cause the government doesn't think I would be a worthwhile citizen as I was "too old".

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Post by billbolton » Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:02 pm

sleepycarol wrote:if you have a catastrophic illness, etc. you are pretty much out of luck as they see you as "being end of life."
In the UK if you have a lot of money you can keep yourself alive as long a medically possible, just like in the US (or pretty much anywhere else in the world).

If you don't have much money, you'd be better off just about anywhere else in the world compared to the US as far as access to healthcare goes.

Blarg didn't mention the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (http://www.health.gov.au/pbs) which caps the cost to users of most (but not all) medicines.

In terms of healthcare in Australia, no one I know here has even the slightest interest in seeing a US style healthcare system ever being put in place here.

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Post by blarg » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:51 pm

sleepycarol wrote:But when talking about their health care system, she said it stank as when you reach a certain age, if I remember it was 55, if you have a catastrophic illness, etc. you are pretty much out of luck as they see you as "being end of life." She stated they would keep you comfortable, etc. but for example if you had a diagnosis of cancer, little treatment would be done so that younger members of society could benefit.
I don't mind at all!

My partner's dad was in his late 50s when he had the stroke, and they certainly didn't give up on him.

In all countries though, there is a point where it just doesn't make sense to fight. That decision, however, rests with the patient and their doctor here more than in the US in my opinion. We have a longer life expectancy here than in the US, and most providers are again private, so they make decisions separately from the government. Of course they want to get paid, but Medicare has no concept of a lifetime cap, or all the other BS that US insurance companies get away with currently.
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Post by nobody » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:09 pm

blarg wrote: Of course they want to get paid, but Medicare has no concept of a lifetime cap, or all the other BS that US insurance companies get away with currently.
Same with Medicare in the USA, which is why I'm all for allowing everyone to sign up for it.

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Post by blarg » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:21 pm

Oh, yeah, something else I forgot to mention. They also want to make sure that you don't get overly slogged in any particular year for health issues, so there is this thing called the Net Medical Expenses Tax Offset. (http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/conte ... /19181.htm)

Quite simply, for every dollar over $1500 that you spend on medical treatment in a single year, you get 20 cents back on your taxes as a credit. There is no upper limit on what you can claim. So if you do go get lap band and pay $5,500, and say you had some other appointments and spent $6000 for the year, you'd get $900 back as a tax credit at the end of the year.
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Post by Aussiegrouch » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:33 pm

Hi,
Just to add to blarg's excellent post from an Australian perspective.
My wife and I are Australian aged pensioners, being over the age of 65, and qualify for the pension based on assets and income criteria.
Basically all of our healthcare needs are met by Medicare as our Doctor's and hospital fees are bulk billed.
For example: My sleep study in 2006 cost me $A60.00 and I was only waiting one month. The Sleep Lab was compensated $A543.00 by Medicare.
My wife has just had laproscopic repair of an incisional hernia - our cost Nil. She waited 2 months to be treated.
We pay $A5.60 per prescription for medications and once we reach a safety net figure of $A250.00 PA the prescriptions are free.
Having paid our taxes and medicare levy for most of our working lives we feel that the Australian healthcare system is the best available even with it's few faults.

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sleepycarol wrote:She has visited Great Britian on several occasions and likes the country very much. But when talking about their health care system, she said it stank as when you reach a certain age, if I remember it was 55, if you have a catastrophic illness, etc. you are pretty much out of luck as they see you as "being end of life." She stated they would keep you comfortable, etc. but for example if you had a diagnosis of cancer, little treatment would be done so that younger members of society could benefit.
Does anyone here actually believe that? That is really quite a shocking thing to say about a civilized country based on hearsay from someone who just visited a few times. If someone said to me, "I've been to Belgium, and they practice human sacrifice. Oh, and the Finns eat their young," I don't think I would repeat it without checking my facts. Life expectancy in the UK is 79, just a tad better than ours, so it seems most unlikely that they write you off at age 55. Off the top of my head I can think of two British friends who were satisfied with their treatment for breast cancer, and they were over 55.

I'd like to cite a source for this, but some assertions are so absurd it's difficult to Google a refutation. It's as if someone said to me, "I visited Japan, and the people there stop talking at age 60 but start up again at 65." I wouldn't believe it, but it's so outrageous that I might have a hard time finding an authority who ever bothered to say that it's false. I mean really! Think of the percentage of the voting population that consists of people over 55. Would they put up with the cessation of medical care for catastrophic illness without making a fuss? Stiff upper lip, never complain, and all that. No, I don't think so. That's death panel talk.

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Post by sleepycarol » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:23 pm

I agree that at times it is fruitless to carry out extraordinary means to keep one alive that has no viable means of full recovery.

I watched both of my parents end of life degrade to the point that they were miserable and in pain. My mother didn't even recognize us the last few months of her life. She was extremely combative and couldn't even turn on her own. She had very good insurance and she had no living will and so her final days were drug out in part to our medical system. Do I want the slow death she had -- no way if I have my way.

I am not that familiar with many of the health care delivery systems around the world and am just making observations.

I do know that I find it difficult to justify much of our system as well. My son-in-law is bi-polar. He has no insurance through his work and unable to pay for private self-pay insurance entirely on his own. He is unable to afford the meds that stabilizes his mood swings and ups and downs. That means he doesn't receive the treatment that he needs.

I do have employer provided insurance. The school board pays a portion, with the rest coming from the staff. The school board decided to go with a cheaper premium, lousy coverage, higher deductible, and more restrictions on routine care that is covered. This year I elected to do a flex plan to help pay for my medical care as I do have some chronic conditions in the form of severe allergies and asthma, borderline diabetic, etc. My out of pocket expense for the flex plan and my portion of the insurance premium comes in at $300 a month. The board pays an additional $300 on the insurance premium. This is an individual plan and not a family plan.
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Post by blarg » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:05 pm

PST wrote:Does anyone here actually believe that?
The thing that's even funnier from this side of the pond is that this already exists in the US, except replace the age assertion with "amount of money", and replace government with "insurance company". Suddenly the claims of death panels seem even more strange when you already have them.

"Oh, sorry, you've surpassed your lifetime cap, and now that you have cancer, I'm afraid you're not going to get any other kind of insurance. Too bad." Might as well be someone saying, "Gee, guess you're just not worth it, we'll just write you off now, have a nice day."
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