Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

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Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by twasbrillig » Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:15 am

Michael Jackson's death was sad. I hate to speculate about someone's death, but if it was sleep-disordered breathing, perhaps his passing can contribute to greater public awareness?

First, his numerous plastic surgeries had narrowed his nostrils to the point where, one guesses, they were poorly functional. There is research showing that nose reduction surgery increases the risk of sleep-breathing disorders. The nasal limitation, then, may have caused snoring, increased flow limitations, and fragmented sleep, even if he didn't have outright apnea. No one would suspect a fairly young and active person like Michael to have apnea (the stereotype being an old fat, sleepy guy) but flow limitation has serious effects on sleep quality, as any UARS patient will tell you.

According to the reports, Michael seems to have used a lot of drugs to address pain and sleep issues. Again, most people associate apnea with sleepiness, but sleep-disordered breathing is strongly associated with insomnia. (Thus, the fact that it's unrefreshing sleep may be hidden by the insomnia complaint.) Anyway, I noticed that they are now investigating the presence of a medical grade anesthetic in his home. Was it part of his quest to get just one good night's sleep?

Those whose sleep-disordered breathing has gone unrecognized for a long time may have a history of trying sleep drugs in hopes of finding something that will work. After years of doing this myself, it was an eye-opener to realize that, had I found something which enabled me to sleep through my breathing problems, it would have, ultimately, been an unhealthy and perhaps fatal mistake.

There were clearly many more things he wanted to accomplish in life, and this is a sad thing. If any of you are his fans, I offer my condolences.
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Re: Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by howkim » Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:24 pm

twasbrillig wrote: Was it part of his quest to get just one good night's sleep?
[rant]Diprovan (propofol) is a "quick on quick off" sedative - they start injecting it and the patient is OUT. They stop the injection and the patient is rousing. IMHO, and I'm not a medical person, it would be absolutely inappropriate to use this drug for "insomnia." If only for a fact that one would need a trained professional (nurse anesthatist or anesthesiologist) to monitor during the "out" period.[/rant]

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Re: Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by hobbs » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:36 pm

But the children sleep better now!

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Re: Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by wrenn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:59 pm

Makes sense. Maybe he was afraid of sleep if he had trouble breathing.

If his personal physician was told to stay right by his bed (according to news items) then maybe that was what he was doing....the on/off IV med. I think that doc is in trouble even if they can't prove that he used the anaesthetic on MJ. He waited too long to call EHS. If they had been called sooner he could have been put on a ventilator and would be fine now.

At any rate the poor thing must have been pretty worn out in general. His life has not been easy (whether he was a kid diddler or not) I am glad to see him out of his misery.

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Re: Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by Babette » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:51 am

Clearly Michael Jackson needed a sleep study. Boggles my mind no one offered him that. Shoot, if he was willing to sleep in a hyperbaric chamber, cpap would have been nothing.

Anyone else watch Oprah yesterday and want to hop up and down and scream at her "GET A SLEEP STUDY!!!" Sheesh.... So OBVIOUS her symptoms are stemming from her lack of sleep....

Why don't celebrity doctors and dentists jump on this bandwagon the way your average joe dentist does? At least talk her into a worthless $2,000 oral device.

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Re: Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by Billy6 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:56 am

The drugs found in his house indicate a drug disorder. Imagine the half-life of the components of his face. He already has the kiddies going in for face lifts and botox, with their hypochondriac parents

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Re: Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by junie » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:30 pm

I agree with Hobbs, Plus a lot of drugs,
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Re: Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by Guest » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:49 pm

When used for IV sedation, propofol typically wears off in minutes. Propofol is versatile; the drug can be given for short or prolonged sedation as well as for general anesthesia. Its use is not associated with nausea as is often seen with opioid medications. These characteristics of rapid onset and recovery along with its amnestic effects[15] have led to its widespread use for sedation and anesthesia.


And one wonders why the kids couldn't remember anything, this drup found in anyone elses house with the same history, and people would be singing a different tune to explain it.

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Re: Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by boston » Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:13 pm

hobbs wrote:But the children sleep better now!

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Re: Was Michael Jackson a victim of sleep-disordered breathing?

Post by Billy6 » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:53 am

<<<<<At least talk her into a worthless $2,000 oral device>>>>
?? Worthless??. The same company that manufactures the Respironics line (Phillips Electronics-Healthcare Division) also provides an oral device set-up for dentists. Why would they get involved in a worthless product line??? Are they scam artists??

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