Surge Protection

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:57 am

I contatced Respironics a while back to enquire which surge protector they might suggest for my machine. They said that I should not use a surge protector but that the machine should be plugged directly into the wall outlet.

What does anyone think about this?
Thanks.

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:16 am

Hawthorne wrote:I contatced Respironics a while back to enquire which surge protector they might suggest for my machine. They said that I should not use a surge protector but that the machine should be plugged directly into the wall outlet.

What does anyone think about this?
Thanks.

Not very much. I've always had mine plugged into a surge protector. Some people use a UPS, but so far, I haven't had any experiences that would have made much difference. The ONE time it happened to me in the middle of the night, I just woke up and the power was out for several more hours. I had already gotten my "compliance" time (4 hrs) before it went out, so I just stayed up.
At least a good surge protector is going to "cushion" any spikes, surges or drops in power.

Den

jnk · Post by **jnk** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:34 am

Hawthorne wrote:I contatced Respironics a while back to enquire which surge protector they might suggest for my machine. They said that I should not use a surge protector but that the machine should be plugged directly into the wall outlet.

What does anyone think about this?
Thanks.

Obviously the manufacturers are afraid you might go down the street to a neighborhood yard sale and buy a surge protector that last year little Johnny took apart for a science project, loaded with confetti and matches, and then put up for sale. They are afraid that surge protector will then expolde, catch fire, burn down every house in the neighborhood, and that then everyone might sue Respironics, claiming they gave you a defective machine.

Or . . .

They have no way of knowing how good of a quality protector you would buy, or whether you might plug in four blenders for making margaritas in your bedroom using the same surge protector, which might then overload it or cause electomagnetic disturbances that could make the blue lights on top of the machine flicker.

OK, why don't I jut admit it--I have NO idea why they would say that. Sorry.

powerprotectioncam · Post by **powerprotectioncam** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:44 am

Hawthorne wrote:I contatced Respironics a while back to enquire which surge protector they might suggest for my machine. They said that I should not use a surge protector but that the machine should be plugged directly into the wall outlet.

What does anyone think about this?
Thanks.

I would get a UPS... it not only compresses surges, it also boosts your power, in case of a brownout (undervoltage, which can be just as harmful as a spike). I work for a UPS company and would be more than happy to help you get a unit for a great price (half of new list price). Call Cameron @ (972) 635-2999 x110 and I can explain what I use on my CPAP.

-Cameron-

jnk · Post by **jnk** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:09 am

Then one day Johnny moved out of the neighborhood, changed his name to Cameron, and started selling UPS!

Oh, I crack myself up.

(Sorry, Cameron, I'm sure it's good stuff.)

In all seriousness, I use a well-made surge-protector power strip. But that's mostly because I unplug my machine every morning before I put it in a drawer for storage during the day, and my machine didn't come with a power on/off switch. So I turn off the surge protector before I unplug my machine in order to keep the plug from sparking.

powerprotectioncam · Post by **powerprotectioncam** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:22 am

jnk wrote:Then one day Johnny moved out of the neighborhood, changed his name to Cameron, and started selling UPS!

Oh, I crack myself up.

(Sorry, Cameron, I'm sure it's good stuff.)

In all seriousness, I use a well-made surge-protector power strip. But that's mostly because I unplug my machine every morning before I put it in a drawer for storage during the day, and my machine didn't come with a power on/off switch. So I turn off the surge protector before I unplug my machine in order to keep the plug from sparking.

I have been getting a LOT of degrading comments on this board, for no apparent reason. I am a CPAP user and have known this board to be very friendly, until this week. I guess it is frowned upon to try and help someone, considering I am in the UPS business?? What gives? The guy asked a question and I am trying to help him.... jeeez!!

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:29 am

powerprotectioncam wrote:
jnk wrote:Then one day Johnny moved out of the neighborhood, changed his name to Cameron, and started selling UPS!

Oh, I crack myself up.

(Sorry, Cameron, I'm sure it's good stuff.)

In all seriousness, I use a well-made surge-protector power strip. But that's mostly because I unplug my machine every morning before I put it in a drawer for storage during the day, and my machine didn't come with a power on/off switch. So I turn off the surge protector before I unplug my machine in order to keep the plug from sparking.

I have been getting a LOT of degrading comments on this board, for no apparent reason. I am a CPAP user and have known this board to be very friendly, until this week. I guess it is frowned upon to try and help someone, considering I am in the UPS business?? What gives? The guy asked a question and I am trying to help him.... jeeez!!

Darned if I know......
There are a number of other people here who sell things......padding for masks/straps, aromatherapy smelly stuff, hose covers, etc.
No degrading comments from me.

Den

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:45 am

powerprotectioncam wrote:
jnk wrote:Then one day Johnny moved out of the neighborhood, changed his name to Cameron, and started selling UPS!

Oh, I crack myself up.

(Sorry, Cameron, I'm sure it's good stuff.)

In all seriousness, I use a well-made surge-protector power strip. But that's mostly because I unplug my machine every morning before I put it in a drawer for storage during the day, and my machine didn't come with a power on/off switch. So I turn off the surge protector before I unplug my machine in order to keep the plug from sparking.

I have been getting a LOT of degrading comments on this board, for no apparent reason. I am a CPAP user and have known this board to be very friendly, until this week. I guess it is frowned upon to try and help someone, considering I am in the UPS business?? What gives? The guy asked a question and I am trying to help him.... jeeez!!

I don't know about the degrading and have not seen it myself... the folks here are friendly and all here for a common reason.

My only earlier comments to you was that I did not consider the UPS a good long term power solution... as in running the equipment all night long. If you think it is then perhaps you can enlighten all of us.

jnk · Post by **jnk** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:45 am

I apologize, Cameron. I get carried away. I'll edit my post, if you want.

If you have a site, I'd be interested in checking it out. I've been considering getting a UPS myself. I am just scared by all the warnings about 'pure sine waves' and all that stuff when it comes to running my machine on batteru power, and I don't know how all that applies with UPS. Maybe it doesn't at all. But I haven't had time to do my research yet.

Don't let a few crazies like me ruin the reputation of this board. There is some touchiness about spammishness due to some who try to sell snoring products to CPAPers. Maybe that's why I felt I could get away with being rude. But I was only trying to be funny. It gets me in trouble a lot.

But I believe Hawthorne was asking about surge protectors, not UPS units, though I may have misunderstood.

Georgio · Post by **Georgio** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:51 am

Cameron,

It is great of you to make such an offer for something that I think would be a very worthwhile addition to cpap. I think the offerings of humor some may make is an effort to show you acceptance.

I want one and will try and give you a call. It could maintain your cpap during the night when the power goes out.

Georgio

OldLincoln · Post by **OldLincoln** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:41 am

Cameron, Sorry you got stung, it happens even to good people.

Going out on a limb here, but I venture that the majority of people here don't understand the features and benefits of adding a UPS to their systems. They probably have not experienced the unfortunate downside of power upsets (not just outage).

So, here's my thought. Perhaps you can open a thread that would be a candidate for a sticky telling about the UPS, what it does, etc. And tell what size would be appropriate and an approximate price range. Maybe you can either work a deal for Forum members or something through CPAP.com - our sponsor. I looked before writing this and they apparently do not offer UPS as of yet.

Anyway, just a thought.

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:02 am

I am familiar with UPS systems through my many years as a computer systems manager.

What concerns me with respect to the Resmed devices is the requirement for "pure sine wave" power for the humidifier and the inability of many UPS systems to provide the correct power for that.

Anything other than 'pure sine wave' can apparently cause the humidifier to burn out as per Resmed.

I don't know about other xPAP manufacturer requirements.

Cameron... the UPS systems that you are recommending... do they provide "pure sine wave" power?

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:14 am

powerprotectioncam - jnk was NOT degrading you or your suggestions on this board in any way, in my opinion.

You have to get to know jnk! He seems a happy fellow who enjoys a laugh and even a laugh at himself! He is not trying to offend in any way.

jnk - I like the idea of plugging in 4 blenders and making margaritas right there in the bedroom!

Our liquor cabinet is already in the bedroom! It's a SMALL one (don't want you getting any wrong ideas) in the middle of a bookcase we have on one wall. With a small fridge, it could work!

Thanks ALL, for your input, serious and otherwise!

powerprotectiocam · Post by **powerprotectiocam** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:29 pm

Paul56 wrote:I am familiar with UPS systems through my many years as a computer systems manager.

What concerns me with respect to the Resmed devices is the requirement for "pure sine wave" power for the humidifier and the inability of many UPS systems to provide the correct power for that.

Anything other than 'pure sine wave' can apparently cause the humidifier to burn out as per Resmed.

I don't know about other xPAP manufacturer requirements.

Cameron... the UPS systems that you are recommending... do they provide "pure sine wave" power?

I am not sure about "pure sine wave power." I know that I have used a UPS to power my CPAP since I was diagnosed in June of 2006, and have had zero problems with my RemStar machine. I bought my father (also a CPAP user) a UPS as well.... zero problems. If anything, it has much cleaner power being provided to the CPAP with a UPS, as it is not only a battery back-up, but a power conditioner as well. Spikes/brownouts cost companies a TON of money each year and all of my expensive/important electronic equipment (CPAP, Plasma TV, Aquarium) have a UPS on them to control the constant fluxuations that Alternating Current has.

jnk · Post by **jnk** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:40 pm

Thanks for the kind words, Hawthorne. And doesn't everyone have margaritga blenders in their bedroom?

As for Mr. power man, I may need to consider retracting my apology. I just read his dis of billbolton on the other thread:

powerprotectioncam wrote: . . . Not sure why you are being difficult Bill . . . If you don't need help, then don't comment.

viewtopic/t35373/Battery-BackUp-in-Case ... utage.html.

Now, THERE's a truly degrading comment made to a very nice guy, and for no apparent reason, in my not-so-humble opinion.

Very imformative thread about UPS over there, though. I suggest everyone reading this one be sure to go read that one too. A lot of good points made.

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