Resmed and Global warming

DreamDiver · Post by **DreamDiver** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:39 am

Snoredog wrote:WHERE is all those tree huggers that protested the installation of nuclear power plants back in the 60's?

They all bought stock in Microsoft and retired to Florida.
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bbacher · Post by **bbacher** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:58 pm

I have not read any global warming theories that can explain why other planets in the solar system are also getting hotter. Do some Google searches and you'll find articles about nearly every planet being warmer than it was a few decades ago. You can also find pictures showing the shrinking of Mars's polar ice caps over the years. Even as far out as Pluto, they have evidence that shows warming.

Earth certainly seems to be getting warmer, but I'm not convinced that humans have a significant impact. I have to ignore too many other factors to reach that conclusion.

travismcgee · Post by **travismcgee** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:33 pm

If you are unsure about man's impact on climate change you should read Bjorn Lomborg's book "The Sceptical Environmentalist". Bjorn used to be a very strong supporter of Greenpeace and other like-minded organizations and he set out to compile and write a book about how man was "destroying the planet". Funny thing, when he got done researching his book he found out that the conventional thinking about global warming was wrong. It is full of many data sets and unbiased analysis.

He has also recently released "Cool It" in which:

[Bjorn Lomborg argues that many of the elaborate and expensive actions now being considered to stop global warming will cost hundreds of billions of dollars, are often based on emotional rather than strictly scientific assumptions, and may very well have little impact on the world's temperature for hundreds of years. Rather than starting with the most radical procedures, Lomborg argues that we should first focus our resources on more immediate concerns, such as fighting malaria and HIV/AIDS and assuring and maintaining a safe, fresh water supply-which can be addressed at a fraction of the cost and save millions of lives within our lifetime. He asks why the debate over climate change has stifled rational dialogue and killed meaningful dissent.]

The above was taken from his website.

His background: he is a Danish author, academic, and environmentalist. He is an adjunct professor at the Copenhagen Business School, director of the Copenhagen Consensus Centre and a former director of the Environmental Assessment Institute in Copenhagen.

Lomborg, like most who challenge the putative dogma of global warming, has many critics as well. He is probably the most polarizing dissenter of man made global warming theories, Scientific American devoted a whole issue to criticizing him, but he has brought the debate to a level that has the sky is falling crowd rethinking their doom and gloom predictions.

Jethro · Post by **Jethro** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:42 pm

Spreading fear on something that might happen in the future seems to keep our eye off the ball on what is really happening in the NOW!
some real good topic replys everyone!

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:12 pm

bbacher wrote:I have not read any global warming theories that can explain why other planets in the solar system are also getting hotter. Do some Google searches and you'll find articles about nearly every planet being warmer than it was a few decades ago. You can also find pictures showing the shrinking of Mars's polar ice caps over the years. Even as far out as Pluto, they have evidence that shows warming.

Earth certainly seems to be getting warmer, but I'm not convinced that humans have a significant impact. I have to ignore too many other factors to reach that conclusion.

Like I said ... who cares whether humans are the cause or not?

If you are sitting on a train speeding towards a downed bridge, who cares whether it was blown up by al queda or taken out by an earthquake? ... you better start thinking how you are going to get off that train.

roster · Post by **roster** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:00 pm

Someone else said it before, but what is the ideal earth temperature for man to thrive? Is it exactly what it is now or is it a few degrees cooler or a few degrees hotter? Do we know the answer?

Do we even know what the earth's temperature is? Are our scientific methods up to the point of being able to measure it?

For me, I am lucky enough to live in a locale with a wonderful climate including four distinct seasons. Unfortunately the weather is often a problem:

-too hot
-too cold
-too humid
-too rainy
-too icy
-too dry
-too windy
-no breeze.

Won't we really have a much bigger problem if GW is wrong and the earth actually cools just a few degrees?

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:25 pm

And the dinosaurs survived (in various forms) for hundreds of millions of years until the asteroid/meteorite/whatever it was put an end to their existence. I'm sure it was much warmer here at that time. There was a show on (I think) the History/National Geographic/Discovery channel (one of those) where they dug up a WHOLE mammoth out of the Siberian frozen wasteland.....where it had to be much warmer at some time when it was still alive.
The Antarctic was warmer at some point in time from what they've found under the existing ice.

Supposedly, if the oceans' salinity changes too much, one way or the other, we'll head back into an ice age......the "conveyor effect".

Den

roster · Post by **roster** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:31 pm

BTW, I don't trust any of your bs theories until I can verify them on my advanced weather station:

roster · Post by **roster** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:37 pm

Wulfman wrote:.......
Supposedly, if the oceans' salinity changes too much, one way or the other, we'll head back into an ice age......the "conveyor effect".

Den

I had a Swedish scientist and author explain to me that global warming would cause the gulf stream to shift and the whole of Europe would freeze over and eradicate human life there.

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:41 pm

rooster wrote:
Wulfman wrote:.......
Supposedly, if the oceans' salinity changes too much, one way or the other, we'll head back into an ice age......the "conveyor effect".

Den
I had a Swedish scientist and author explain to me that global warming would cause the gulf stream to shift and the whole of Europe would freeze over and eradicate human life there.

Well, that was supposedly what happened (to some degree) when "The Little Ice Age" occurred several hundred years ago......according to the show on the History Channel.

Den

bbacher · Post by **bbacher** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:20 pm

DreamStalker wrote:
Like I said ... who cares whether humans are the cause or not?

If you are sitting on a train speeding towards a downed bridge, who cares whether it was blown up by al queda or taken out by an earthquake? ... you better start thinking how you are going to get off that train.

I think it's an important consideration because if there is nothing we can do about it we'd better spend our money on adapting to it rather than trying to fix it.

kennethryan · Post by **kennethryan** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:39 am

Snoredog wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:WHERE is all those tree huggers that protested the installation of nuclear power plants back in the 60's?

Such as Patrick Moore?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Mo ... mentalist)

He was one of the founders of Greenpeace, one of those protesters of nuclear energy. Now he has done a complete about-face, realizing that while nuclear has its problems it's way better than fossil fuels.

I enjoyed his interview with Penn Jillette (linked as one of the references in the Wikipedia article) where it talks at length about this and the environmental movement in general.

MHO: Climate will change, we have some effect on it but not much, most of us will adapt, humanity isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Just my beliefs. They might as well be religious beliefs; the whole climate discussion has a very low signal to noise ratio.

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:31 pm

Your quote is messed up ... I didn't write that.

bbacher · Post by **bbacher** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:28 pm

Right here you did: viewtopic.php?p=283838&sid=41e4d03703fe ... 7d8#283838

roster · Post by **roster** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:06 pm

bbacher wrote:Right here you did: viewtopic.php?p=283838&sid=41e4d03703fe ... 7d8#283838

No BB, that was Snoredog. Look again. What does it matter anyway?

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