New and a little confused

countrygal · Post by **countrygal** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:19 pm

Hi All!

I would like to start off by thanking you all for your wonderful info on this site, without you I would have been lost!

I started c-pap 28 days ago, (moderate osa, with a setting of 14 ) after at least 6 years fighting with the doctors. Typical 1st sleep study was a disaster etc. But after a really tough first week I think that I may be starting to feel a little bit better.

My biggest problem is that I wake up every time that I roll-over because of all the moisture build up from my nasal mask. There is never any moisture in my hose. Is this still considered rainout? I have tried using the humidifier in passover mode, and I just wake up with a sore throat. I seem to do best with the humidifier set at 1 or 2, but then when I exhale there seems to be a fog in my mask.

Is this something that a heated hose would help with?

Thanks in advance for you words of wisdom

roster · Post by **roster** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:04 pm

Try a well insulated cover for the hose first. This solves the problem for many people. An expensive, inconvenient heated hose can be considered later.

Good luck.

betty303 · Post by **betty303** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:34 pm

Go to cpap.com and search for snugglehose.

You will find what rooster is describing.

Pineapple · Post by **Pineapple** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:08 am

The condensation is caused but the change in temperature as the air travels through the hose and cools. The fact that it seems to be causing your mask to fog suggests the room temperature might be to low. can you up the room temperature a little?

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:43 am

Mask fog on exhale is normal, the warm moist air of exhale forms on the inside of the mask, however it should not build up or from a puddle.

That would be rainout, you have to raise the room temp, or the air temp or cut down on the HH temp. I use mine as passover, when I breath out I see the fog in the elbow, but when I stop exhaling the elbow clears from the air flow from the machine. Jim

countrygal · Post by **countrygal** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:13 pm

Thanks for the info.

I live in Ct., and the room temp right now is at whatever the temp is outside. We do not have central air and with the price of utilities this year we have decided not to put in our window units.

On passover mode I still get the rainout and a sore throat. Last night the humidifier was set at 2 1/2 and I did well for part of the night but the second half of the night was bad.

Could more condinsation accumulate (rainout happen) if the mask is leaking?. I don't think I have any leaks but maybe it does in my sleep.

roster · Post by **roster** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:17 pm

Position your humidifier below the level of your head. Position your hose so that any collected moisture will have a chance to run downhill back into the humidifier.

Buy one of these hose covers: https://www.cpap.com/productSearch.php? ... hose+cover. Not only do they help with rainout but they dampen the noise of the hose banging around and feel comfortable when the hose touches your body.

Good luck.

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danmc · Post by **danmc** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:29 pm

I'm a newby but I had heavy rainout. I put the machine on the floor and did a "Bad Boy Bubby" on the tube - I wrapped the tube with Glad Wrap (Saran Wrap I think Americans call it)

I also run the hose under the bed covers next to my body.

My efforts seem to have fixed it completely. Don't know if the glad wrap helped but it gave me something to do during one of my woken up periods and the hose makes less creaky- clanky noises when it touches the hard edges of the bed etc...

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:03 pm

Water in the mask waking you up is still cosidered rainout.

Rainout is much more a problem for those of us with low pressure (you don't mention yours...) and I certainly don't find anything inconvenient in my heated hose - and I couldn't go through my therapy without it.

Keeping you hose under the covers to get it to body temprature is very good - for those of us who can sleep like that. I need my hose coming from above - can't warm it under the covers.

How much additional humidity you need is also a function of the humidity in the air where you live. A heated humidifier supplies more humidity that a passover.

People have tried - successfuly - to make their own insulating hose covers from polar fleece and other materials:

Willsucceed

I solved the condensation problem by having a friend of mine sew a sleeve to go over the hose. She went to the fabric store and bought some Thinsulate insulation and some polar fleece. Somehow, she made a sleeve that has polar fleece on the outside and the Thinsulate on the inside. I just slide it over the hose and wrap a velcro tie around each end so that the sleeve does not extend past the end connectors. Voila! No more condensation, the blowing air is just slightly warm and, it weighs almost nothing.

Problem solved for about 5 bucks and the help of a friend.