CPAP SUX and it should be eliminated !

andyomega · Post by **andyomega** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:29 am

CPAP is first gen technology, if u can call strapping a blower to your face "technology".
I like my new machine. Its got C-flex and it breaths with me. I no longer wake up with a belly aching full of air.
If some docs don't want to give Apap then at least they should give bi-pap to everyone.
Oh yes, did I mention how incredibly quiet my new machine is?

Cpap is old school, lets all demand better from our providers !

Just my 2 cents... which I will share with everyone I encounter

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:19 pm

If you are really good, and write Santa, he may leave you the machine of your choice. The other way would be get your Dr. and DME to get your INS, to get the machine you want.

Or go out of pocket, and get your machine online, it more costly out of pocket, but it helps keep the nerves and blood pressure lower. Jim

BrianRT · Post by **BrianRT** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:30 pm

I thought CPAP blows

Shows how much I know.....

DeltaSeeker · Post by **DeltaSeeker** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:09 pm

Yep, Brian, it does blow. And I want my t-shirt that says "GET BLOWN" with a picture of a APAP machine underneath

luneman · Post by **luneman** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:40 pm

Errr. yeah.... It does blow. I will hold on the T-shirt however !

tillymarigold · Post by **tillymarigold** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:45 pm

There has been recent research that Auto is not as effective as straight, one-pressure CPAP for some things, such as cardiac problems.

I've got no problem with stating that an auto machine should be the standard, but there are some people who get better results from one constant pressure than from auto-adjusting pressure.

roster · Post by **roster** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:59 pm

[quote="andyomega"]CPAP is first gen technology, if u can call strapping a blower to your face "technology".
I like my new machine. Its got C-flex and it breaths with me. I no longer wake up with a belly aching full of air.
If some docs don't want to give Apap then at least they should give bi-pap to everyone.
Oh yes, did I mention how incredibly quiet my new machine is?

Cpap is old school, lets all demand better from our providers !

Just my 2 cents... which I will share with everyone I encounter

John_M · Post by **John_M** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:42 pm

andyomega wrote:Cpap is old school, lets all demand better from our providers !

I think Rested Gal uses CPAP and refers to it as the Gold Standard.

All I know is when I switched my APAP from 8->14 to operating as a CPAP at 10 cms, the AHI's went down and stayed down.

I think its got something to do with

1/ on an APAP, starting an apnea at say 8 cms pressure and the machine having to build pressure to stop it

or the other alternative.

2/ being at 10 cm all the time and the apnea never happening.

So even though I have an APAP, I am going to keep it working as a CPAP.
The big advantage to me of the M-Series Auto C-Flex I have is that it tells me things like leak rates, AHI's etc so I get to know what I am doing.

John M

andyomega · Post by **andyomega** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:59 pm

I didnt say everyone should get APAP.
I find C-Flex to be really good.

TGregg · Post by **TGregg** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:16 pm

BrianRT wrote:I thought CPAP blows

Dang. I came to this thread to say that very thing, and boy was I late, LOL.

goose · Post by **goose** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:58 pm

I think what John_M says makes a lot of sense.
My issue at this point is my pressure is at 5cm. The Encore reports show that I still have an AHI of 15.3, so my pressure needs to be higher.....I need to read my report and find out if they titrated me at 5, but I sent the reports to the Doc and recommended that we go to an APAP machine to let it titrate me more accurately and figure out what the optimum pressure really is. At that point, I'd set it to CPAP mode with that pressure and use the APAP mode again if the AHI moved around.
I haven't heard back from the doc yet, but I'm sure the DME is going to whine since I already have a CPAP (Mseries pro W/C-flex), but you know what? It's my health so I'll stay on them until my AHI is where it needs to be!!!
APAP sure has it's place, but mine would be in CPAP mode once the pressure is figured out...
just my two cents.....
cheers
gg

jskinner · Post by **jskinner** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:02 pm

tillymarigold wrote:There has been recent research that Auto is not as effective as straight, one-pressure CPAP for some things, such as cardiac problems.

IMHO Auto's are more comfortable because of reduced overall pressure, and thus why we like them so much. However strait CPAP at the right pressure will always control AHI better than an Auto becase takes time to respond to events. Autos also make it easier to find that correct pressure.

WindFlyer · Post by **WindFlyer** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:19 am

IMHO CPAP is not a problem. I must be one of the lucky few who don't have any difficulty breathing against the machine. I do need to take a few deep breaths right after I strap on the mask, but within 5 minutes I'm breathing normally as if I had no mask at all. It just works for me.

ICantGetNoSleep · Post by **ICantGetNoSleep** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:02 pm

WindFlyer wrote:IMHO CPAP is not a problem. I must be one of the lucky few who don't have any difficulty breathing against the machine. I do need to take a few deep breaths right after I strap on the mask, but within 5 minutes I'm breathing normally as if I had no mask at all. It just works for me.

I have an auto, dont use cflex and have no problems breathing either.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:08 pm

andyomega wrote:CPAP is first gen technology, if u can call strapping a blower to your face "technology".
I like my new machine. Its got C-flex and it breaths with me. I no longer wake up with a belly aching full of air.
If some docs don't want to give Apap then at least they should give bi-pap to everyone.
Oh yes, did I mention how incredibly quiet my new machine is?

I'm glad you like your new machine, but it's rather like saying that Chevys should be abolished because you just got a new Ferarri.

For many, many people, CPAP works wonderfully... and some new studies indicate that it may be significantly superior to APAP in terms of preventing cardiovascular harm. And were you aware that CPAP machines are available with C-Flex too? I know because I use one.

Yes, APAPs can be put into CPAP mode, but they're more expensive than a straight CPAP unit, and a large number of people simply don't need the extra (APAP) mode at all.

Advocating the abolishment of something inexpensive and highly effective for a huge number of people and saying it "sux" isn't a very good idea. Abolishing it for YOU and saying it "sux" for YOU is about all you can really say.

Your situation is not everyone's situation, not by a long shot. Not everyone has aerophagia (the condition that causes your belly to fill with air when using CPAP). And, lots and lots of people do a lot better on CPAP than APAP (ask long-time forum contributor Den about this, for example).

Oh, and when you said that if docs won't give APAPs they should "at least" give BIPAPs, you appear to be implying either that (1) BIPAPs are cheaper than APAPs, and/or (2) BIPAPs can offer exhale relief that's intermediate between CPAP and APAP. Both statements are false. BIPAPs are far more expensive and can provide far more exhale relief compared to APAP machines. You may want to do a bit more research before making posts like this.

Enjoy the APAP! I'm glad you found a machine you like. They are indeed great if you have aerophagia and can't get used to high constant pressures. Happily I suffer from neither of those problems.

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